Yeah, they had protests and wakes here over that.General Motors called all of their electrics back off of lease and DESTROYED EVERY ONE OF THEM.
Uh... no. The incentives brought the price down to about $33k. But the car had to initially be purchased at $42k, and taxes paid on that... and then we had to sign up for, and wait for the various incentives. The whole process took about three years and was pretty darn confusing!C.Rickey Hirose said:The consumers were getting over $30K ? of tax credit or rebate over the 36 months do not remember clearly if you leased or financed the Rav4EV's
Well, no. They're not all "gone" - they just aren't offered new any more. I purchased my Rav4, so nobody can take it back. And I also own a Ranger EV. The EV1 I had, has unfortunately met an utimely demise.iluvelectrics said:Not only the Toyota, but EVERY mass-produced ev in the United States. All are gone now.
And you get this information from where? The "hybrid" technology was developed alongside the battery tech, and the hybrid technology is as good as it is BECAUSE of the battery tech.Jeffand said:The reason the Rav4 EV was discontinued was because of cost and battery issues. $42,000. Plus Toyota needed the manpower to develop new hybrid technology. The Rav4 had gone to a new body style. Most of the people on the waiting list would back out once they found out the total cost.
Wow. That's a new one. There were politics involved in charger choice early on, as the various auto makers duked it out. But that was mostly GM, and Toyota just followed GM's lead. Most production EVs (including the Rav) started life as conductive cars, and ended as inductive. But none of this has anything to do with the program ending, that's for sure!mrv said:
Yup. Quite true. Doing the "right thing" often costs more money. At least at first. Certainly easier and cheaper to keep making gas cars in the short term - as all car makers will tell you.Jeffand said:I should of been more clear about the battery issue. The battery pack that was used quite expensive.
Of course. But not even a significant amount! There are failures of IC engines as well, but we sure keep building those!Thier have been failures in the battery packs on Rav4 EV unfortunatly.
Very, very low. The car makers would LOVE to parade this number around, but alas, there isn't much of a number to parade!The question is what was the incident rate for this type of failure on the Rav4.
They were hand assembled, yes. No other way to cost-effectively make just over 1000 units. They'd obviously be MUCH cheaper in mass production, but we never got there, so we have a bit of chicken-and-egg thing going on here! And just for the sake of accuracy - these were NOT conversions in any sense of the word. That Rav gliders were produced to be built out with gas or battery power. They were built from the glider up as either gas or electric, nothing was "converted."The conversion process was one at time conversion.
My count shows 1288. Close enough, certainly.1249 Rav4's were produced total.
Ain't that grand!? Shows what mass production AND marketing will do for you. If the Rav had enjoyed the same, it would have been interesting to see what the market really would have been like. As it was, two years worth of Rav4EV "production" was sold/leased in just eight months - with little to no advertising, zero trim options, old body style, huge sticker price and a total TWO color choices! Amazing.While the new Prius sales are over 50,000 units anually.
But wait. You're saying here that the Rav4EV production was stopped because Toyota only made a limited number, and therefor could only sell a limited number, and therefor the market was really small? How does that make sense? They created this little tiny "market" and then blame that small market for the demise of the program!It was because of high manufacturing volume this happened. The Rav4 did not have this going for it. Plus the cost of maintaining parts for such a low volume production vehicle.
There are WAY more politics invloved here, but certainly these are some of the many reasons we don't have EVs today.This is one the reasons why the some manufactures crushed thier electric cars. The other was so could write off the cost of the project more quickly.