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This board is for discussions of hybrids other than the toyota prius, both priduction and home built.

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Hi there :)

Jeff, thanks for this area. I guess it pertains to me. I own an '01 Electric Green Prius, but my '03 HEV Civic is on order and should be here in less than two months...

I can't wait to talk about it! :)

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Civic ordering (was: welcome)

Hi Linda,
Why wait until it arrives to talk about your Hybrid Civic? You know enough to have ordered one. What attracted you to it? Besides the opportunity to be the first on your block to have two different flavors of hybrid? :)

How was the ordering experience compared to the old internet only method you used previously? Is there pressure to raise the price above MSRP? Is there any room to negotiate below MSRP? Do the dealers seem knowledgable about it? Do they try to steer you away?

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Re: Civic ordering (was: Welcome)

LoL, Robert, you know me well.

Yes, I want to be the first on my block to have two hybrids. Actually it's my third hybrid, I owned a Reflex Red Insight for a few days in April 2000 before giving it back to the dealer -- who took it back and put it on his lot as a demo-only car.

Probably what lured me to the HEV Civic most was the fact that it's a hybrid. Secondly, I owned a '99 Civic and absolutely loved the car. It was solid and sleek and stuck to the road like glue -- cornered like it was on rails, to borrow the phrase from Pretty Woman. The Prius of course is taller and mine wanders on the road at highway speeds, even after being realigned by a Prius Tech at 5000 miles. And, the city mileage I get is cool, but the highway mileage for the longer trips I make most, well, sucks -- 38 to 42 in warm weather. If the Honda holds its highway mileage as reported, close to 50, and hugs the road the same way that my '99 EX did, I'll have a hybrid for each kind of driving. Sounds excessive, but I want to optimize my mpgs....

Ordering was a breeze. My Honda salesman is an absolute gem. I've never seen a car in their lot -- Civic, Accord, CRV -- that was marked up above sticker. I and the friends I've referred there all paid less than sticker, with no haggling, but maybe that's Robert. I'm paying just sticker for the Civic (which, I don't know exactly what that will be yet). I can't compare it to Internet ordering the Prius as I bought my Prius as a dropped car, right off the lot -- but those guys didn't charge me more than sticker, either, except for the addition of the Cruise Control, which they'd added themselves.

As for the knowledge of my Honda dealer: He's working hard to keep up with me. With all the info I can find on the internet, the reports from the auto shows, etc., he didnt' always have as much information as I did about the Civic. :) That's not surprising... But he never tried to steer me to another car. That might be his own personality though. Bought a used car for my husband two summers ago, bought it from him, and we just walked in and told him what we wanted and he moved heaven and earth to locate and trade for what we were looking for -- told us what they had on the lot but never once tried to push us to buy that as the easy way out.

In fact, last summer (in my Pre-Prius days) I was on the lot looking at '01 Civic EX models (needed an automatic transmission instead of the stick in my '99, husband broke his foot and couldnt' drive a stick)...and Robert says to me, "You know the Hybrid will be here in March...if you can wait that long..." Always looking out for what he knew my real interests were.

A lot of dealers aren't AS knowledgeable as mine. I've been fortunate. I've talked to a woman in Florida whose dealer told her that the Civics won't be anywhere but California before June. My dealer vehemently denies this -- if the Florida dealer didn't request an allocation, it could be June before lot cars drop on his lot, but he says that ANY Honda dealer who requested an allocation will get at least some of them by April.

What am I unhappiest about in the new HEV Civic? THE COLORS. Rumor has it they won't offer Green b/c it's too "trite" -- a green car being green. That's exactly the little mind game I love about my Prius. So they're offering it in taffeta white (flat, no metallic), titanium (which is a champagne gold, and i don't like it at all), and a Opal silver blue, which I can't place on any of their current models and so holds a glimmer of hope for me...but on the early allocation, i got to chose transmission (I went with CVT automatic) but not color -- if color becomes that important to me, and I can't get what I want out of the first allocation, I will have to wait even longer (gave them my deposit in September, so I have been waiting a while already). I'm third on the list here in town, so hopefully numbers 1 and 2 won't pick "my" car. :)

'Nuff written. holy cow! Jeff, how about an "edit" button so when i come back later and read all my typos, i can fix them?

peace,
Linda
 
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Re: Civic ordering (was: Welcome)

I believe that as the author of a post you are supposed to get an edit button when you view it. I get one as the moderator and it works fine, If you don't have one let me know and I will attempt to add one for the authors of a message.

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Re: Edit button

not finding it...where should i be looking? nowhere on this screen from top to bottom...?

help :)

-Linda

P.S. at the very bottom it says "Mail: [email protected]"
might want to change that too? ;)

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Re: Edit button

I was wrong about the edit button it is a moderator function, I am working on making moderator functions avaliable to the author of each post

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Hi all - Just an intro - I live in Upstate NY and have had my Prius since Nov 2001. Its a '02 with cruise and CD and is Super White. I love it. I also agree that it is a bit squirly at highway speeds even after my 5500 mile alignment correction. I think the principle reason is the very sensitive steering in comparison to our other cars (Subaru Outback Sport and Winne LaSharo and Porsche 924). I tend to oversteer the car due to the poor placement of the armrests - I am 6'1" and my elbos do not touch anything while driving except for the window opening ledge which from there I control the steering. I installed a JC Whitney universal center armrest to raise the way to low center armrest up to my arm. It works great. I wasted 75$ on the foam armrest from the good guys at Coastaltech, but was very satisfied with the hitch from them for 150$..

Anyway . I love the car and I will help out by purchaseing products that help the environment anytime I can afford to..

Prius Rocks!

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Re: Edit button

You should now be able to edit you own posts. Please let me know if you encounter any difficulties with this new function.

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Re: Edit button

Well it seems that the edit option messed up something so that the messages will no longer display in Netscape 4.x. So it's back to the old version without the edit button for now.

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