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OK, I know this is probably another example of Prius snobbery, but I have to ask: What's the point of V6 hybrids like the Accord or the Lexus? With their overpowered engines, they offer basically no significant MPG benefit at all. So why would anyone bother to buy one? Am I missing something here?
 

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I don't think I would choose either answer. I think it is somewhere in the middle. I don't mind if they use the technology to provide extra power and using a modest amount less gas. It's still an improvement. I personally wouldn't buy one though.
 

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the v6 accord hybrid can beat a v6 accord off the bat thanks to the insta torque of the electric motor. And it does it by using less gas too, just the price is pricey from the start.
 

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I have a Prius and a Highlander Hybrid. The HiHy has a V6. I think the marketing strategy with the car companies is more power without loss of MPG.
 

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firepa63 said:
I think the marketing strategy with the car companies is more power without loss of MPG.
It's their marketing strategy because that's what many folks (like you, presumably) want, for good or bad.

A couple of years ago I had a small popup camper that I towed with my fiancee's 4-cylinder Subaru. Though the camper's weight was within the car's towing limit, after a few trips we concluded the car simply was underpowered. As we headed to some of our favorite mountain campgrounds, we'd end up in the line of semis creeping up the mountainside. I sold the camper in the interest of preserving her car.... and our upcoming marriage!

It seemed to me that the Highlander Hybrid might be the perfect vehicle for this scenario.... if the price premium wasn't so great. As it was, I couldn't afford it, so I figured we could just tent camp until - hopefully - the market had more choices of more powerful hybrids with less of a price premium.

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firepa63 said:
I have a Prius and a Highlander Hybrid. The HiHy has a V6. I think the marketing strategy with the car companies is more power without loss of MPG.
Yeah, I should've excused the V6 hybrid SUVs straight away. If I'm not mistaken, the Highlander Hybrid actually does get a pretty nice MPG boost over its standard V6 sibling. I think it's just V6 hybrid sedans that strike me as absurd.
 

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The Accord V6 Hybrid gets -worse- mileage than the Accord V6 manual transmission. To me, it's a "hybrid" in name only, for marketing purposes ("see, I'm environmentally resonsible - I drive a hybrid").

The Lexus is a "wow" vehcile. It doesn't seem to get get very good mileage (uses twice as much fuel per distance as the Prius, for example). It does fill a market - those who want a powerful luxury car, and can make the same comment as above. It might get better mileage than equivalent "powerful luxury cars", though I haven't researched that. It would be close to no benefit, it seems to me.

I don't like your choises in the poll. I also don't like the subject wording. Seems to me engine design should have nothing to do with perception. Whatever works should be the criterion.

Anyway, due to the above I didn't vote. But I don't like a lot of polls choises, so don't feel offended. ;)
 

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I voted "totally silly"

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The average driver of a Honda Accord needs to go 0-60 faster than a 20 year old Porsche or Ferarri? I remember when the Nissan Maxima was crazy fast/powerful as it had 200-some horsepower, and Honda Preludes and Toyota Celicas and Eagle Talons were "sports cars" with often <150 horsies.

Now it seems everything has to have 200+. And while there may be some validity to the previously posted thought that they are tuned to use little fuel in normal driving and just have the power on reserve, i don't think i buy into that fully. I would wager that real world mileage is 20-33% lower than if they'd have just put a 4-popper in and left it at that.

Take all the technology that gives engines so much more power per displacement, and devote it to LESS DISPLACEMENT and more fuel economy. That is my #1 A-list pet peeve about mileage, more than SUVs or pickups or whatever. Why does the world need to go 0-60 in 6 seconds?

On the "luxury" end of things, V8 Cadillacs (no option for a V6 in the DTS) and V8 and V12 'Benz's and all. The average Caddy driver needs more power than the 3.8 liter V6? The average benz driver needs 400 or 500 horsepower? You EVER need 400 or 500 horsepower?

And the EPA ratings don't tell the whole story with the power-craze. I hereby vow to dig (if at all possible) up some real world MPGs on V6 -vs- V8 in things like Buick or V8 -vs- V12 in Mercedes and so on.


When i was shopping for a good-mileage car to curb my oil use, i didn't really mean to buy a prius, i mean i didn't start out there. I just wanted a relaly good mileage really nice car.

I got so sick of seeing uber-potent V6's and V8's that i just couldn't take it,a nd went total mileage. In retrospect, i'm glad i did, but at the time i was very much perturbed. I can't ahve a super-nice car that goes 0-60 in 10 seconds with an efficient engine.

Where am i going that i want or need 350 hp? nowhere. Where am i going that i'd want or need killer climate control and the kind ofl eather that saturates your clothes with its smell and super-comfy seats and good looks and blah blah blah? EVERYWHERE. Put a 4-cylinder in a Mercedes CLS and i'll buy one tomorrow. Turbo diesel preferably.

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wstander said:
Hmmm,

Don't the hybrids get cleaner ratings than their conventional counterparts?
i'd raise this question: is that because of the hybrid system or extra effort to clean them up. For example, the chevy pickups are only slightly different in mileage but alot different in emmissions.

why can't i have a boring old 4-popper in a Mercedes with the uber-emission killing system? :twisted:


See, two cars i really enjoyed were a Caddy STS and a Benz CLS.

The Benz dealership was leaning on me heavily to get the V12 or whatever it is. the CLS550 instead of 500. Sort of being snooty to me when i explained that i had no interest in the bigger engine.

the Caddy is only availabe in its most glorious form with the big engine. Lots of options simply not available with the V6.


The message from both seemed to be: small engines are second rate.

I just wanted all the options and a 4-banger that gets 35 on the highway.
 

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wstander said:
Hmmm,

Don't the hybrids get cleaner ratings than their conventional counterparts?
i'd raise this question: is that because of the hybrid system or extra effort to clean them up. quote]

Probably a combination of the 2, just like in the Prius; green power without excuses, right?

People sometimes forget that hybrids are first and foremost GREEN; the fact that they get better mileage while producing the equivalent power is a benefit or unintended consequence.

If gas mileage were the ONLY criterion, them you should not even consider an automobile; most small motorcycles get better mileage than even a Prius...
 

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People sometimes forget that hybrids are first and foremost GREEN; the fact that they get better mileage while producing the equivalent power is a benefit or unintended consequence.

If gas mileage were the ONLY criterion, them you should not even consider an automobile; most small motorcycles get better mileage than even a Prius...
hmmmm... that's a very interesting thought. In my case, at least 50% fo the miles i drive in the pri have my son in the backseat, and a motorcycle is out. Also i have no motorcycle experience, and probably couldn't endure a 300 mile trip to family or friends on a cycle.

But its a very interesting thought, and i think that it calls for a poll.
 

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[get better mileage than even a Prius...
hmmmm... that's a very interesting thought. In my case, at least 50% fo the miles i drive in the pri have my son in the backseat, and a motorcycle is out. Also i have no motorcycle experience, and probably couldn't endure a 300 mile trip to family or friends on a cycle.

But its a very interesting thought, and i think that it calls for a poll.[/quote]

Motorcycles are probably NOT a good choice for most people, at least not as an only or primary vehicle.

A lady that I know is waiting for an alternative fueled, plug-in Prius. I personnally think that there is a market for an MR2 hybrid.

Why not a 2-cylinder biodiesel hybrid?
 

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Let's see.. if you had a choice between a GS450h and a GS430, which would you pick?

The GS450h is faster to 60, more powerful, it beat the GS430 (and M45) in a 3 lap battle at Tsukuba on Best Motoring (Japanese car programme), it gets better mileage than both depsite its weight deficit, it has better weight ratio because of a lighter engine in the front and a battery over the rear wheels and lastly, it costs less to purchase. In Canada, it's exempt from the luxury tax.
 

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V6 Hybrids such as the Highlander Hybrid are far more efficient and cleaner than their gasoline only counterparts, making them a very good fit for those who have vehicle requirements that preclude a Prius.

I purchased a Highlander Hybrid and currently average 29.5mpg, far better than what I could get with a comparable non-hybrid.

When I selected the Highlander Hybrid I was looking for 1 vehicle that met the following requirements: 4WD, reasonable cargo and towing capacity, room for 5 and their luggage, smooth and quiet ride, and the best in class fuel economy and emissions. For me. the Prius was not even a consideration, and if the Highlander had been a 4cyl, it probably would not have made the grade because of the limited towing capacity of the 4cyl model. I did not consider the Ford Escape Hybrid for that reason.

Take a look at this article for an excellent comparison of the Highlander Hybrid and it's gasoline only counterpart:

http://www.popularmechanics.com/automot ... page=1&c=y
 
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