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"My" Prius should be here around 12/20. Does not have what I want pkg 6
does have 6 in dash cd changer, toyoguard, bumper protection, homelink
and self dimming mirror -$22,448.
Concerns: Not the pkg I want - Trade in value 8-10 years down the road-
Reliability of Technology-MPG, I see posts which indicate 39-48 mpg.
Considering a 2004 Honda Accord 4cy, mpg pretty good, lots of comfort and maybe a good trade in 4-5 years for newer hybrid. Accord is priced about the same as the Prius but bigger and a bit more comfort. i.e. seats adjust, interior trim etc.
Would be interested in your thoughts.
 

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oldfox said:
"My" Prius should be here around 12/20. Does not have what I want pkg 6
does have 6 in dash cd changer, toyoguard, bumper protection, homelink
and self dimming mirror -$22,448.
Concerns: Not the pkg I want - Trade in value 8-10 years down the road-
Reliability of Technology-MPG, I see posts which indicate 39-48 mpg.
Considering a 2004 Honda Accord 4cy, mpg pretty good, lots of comfort and maybe a good trade in 4-5 years for newer hybrid. Accord is priced about the same as the Prius but bigger and a bit more comfort. i.e. seats adjust, interior trim etc.
Would be interested in your thoughts.
The decision is ultimately yours. I am with you, though I continue to hold out for the package I want.

I have found favorable comparisons between the Honda Accord and Toyota Camry as similarly priced vehicles. However, the reports you read about the Prius' mileage is primarily due to the cold weather and break in period. The Prius really shines in the MPG arena during warm weather and the post break in period. Then, neither the Accord or Camry can hold a candle to the Prius.

A little less expensive than the Prius is the Honda Civic Hybrid. Granted the Civic does not have all the bells and whistles but it is still a hybrid and one that may suit your needs until future hybrids arrive on the market.

Honda links:
http://www.theautochannel.com/F/news/20 ... 72783.html
http://www.plymouthlaser.com/hybrid.htm
http://auto.consumerguide.com/auto/new/ ... m/id/37581
http://www.nctd.com/review-intro.cfm?ReviewID=1488
http://www.arstechnica.com/reviews/02q3 ... -hy-1.html

Remember, nothing compares to the 2004 Prius. It is genius at work. However, the Civic remains a viable hybrid alternative.

Good luck. :D
 

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one of the main reasons why i don't want to cancel and wait till next year or beyond, is bacause of what i expect the base price of future models to be. this overwhealming success that the prius has brought toyota is undoubtedly going to force them to reconsider the value.... i fully expect future models (from bare bones to fully loaded) to cost significantly more that the current 04 packages


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Re: Prius or Accord

Thanks for providing your thoughts. My concerns have been alleviated somewhat. Now if the Prius only arrives on time.
 

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Oldfox:
In what ways are the Accord seats more adjustable that those of the Prius? Or, to put it another way, doesn't the Prius offer customary power seats?
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JBF - No power seats for the Prius. Seat has manual front to back and recline. Thats it. The Accord Had height adjustment and with the leather pkg 8 way power seats. Accord is a very nice car and if I wasn't so darn set on a Prius would be my car of choice.
 

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Oldfox:
You and I may be in similar situations. I'm very interested in getting a Prius next year sometime. But, as I usually do, I'm learning as much as possible about the car I'm primarily interested in and its competition. Some will say the Prius has no competition, and that's true to some extent. But there's a threshold of inconveniences that makes the Prius less attractive to many of us. Given the admirable technology elsewhere in the Prius, it isn't too much to ask for power front seats--and ones with memory buttons for use by two frequent drivers. It also isn't too much to ask for a sunroof--power or not. As I look more and more closely, there may be other things that I will notice sadly lacking.
Toyota certainly doesn't seem to be against power options: Its designers and engineers have seen fit to include things that seem less basic, convenient, and enjoyable than power seats and a sunroof. Others are free to disagree, but I can do without annoying HID headlamps, a voice-actuated DVD navigation system, an autodimming rearview mirror (we have one now that isn't worth a damn), and 9 speakers in 7 locations. Oldfox, do you, or anyone else out there, have the e-mail address of a Toyota contact who fields suggestions about needed options? (It looks like that Toyota rep could also serve the cause by fielding the many questions I see about slow delivery and dealer quirks.)
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PZEV

Can you even buy the PZEV Honda Accord (LX or EX (not V-6))
outside of California or some northeast states?

I'll note that the 8-way power seats
are not available on the PZEV Accords,
although you do have adjustable lumbar
support and power seat height on the
EX, along with optional leather trim. The
PZEV Accords are all automatic
transmissions, which get a 2004 EPA
mileage rating of 24MPG city, 34 MPG highway.

2004 MSRP on the AT LX is $20,100, AT EX is $22,500.

http://www.hondacars.com/models/trim_le ... edan&Num=2
http://www.hondacars.com/models/specifi ... cord+Sedan

I'll note that the MSRP on the eCVT
2004 Prius, PZEV version available in all
of US, is $20,510.

http://www.toyota.com/prius/
http://www.toyota.com/vehicles/2004/prius/specs.html
 

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JBF - Sorry, I don't know of any contact that can help you with various options. The Prius Brochure does list what is available on the spec. page.
Anxious to get mine!
BTW - shopped on-line for car insurance and went with Electric Ins. out of Beverly, Mass. Has anyone had experience with them?
Terry
 
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