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More specifically hydrogen is currently usually generated from natural gas. Still a fossil fuel but a more plentiful and domestic one. Also it is at least theoretically possible to produce hydrogen from any source of electricity (plus water). Wind, wave, solar, nuclear, coal, etc.Saruman said:Somebody please tell me where we are going to get the hydrogen to run these cars?
Answer: Exxon Mobil and Amoco BP---it will be processed from petroleum JUST LIKE GASOLINE.
That chart needs some clarification. Does it consider efficiency/cost of generating hydrogen from fossil fuel as JShore was stating?DaveinOlyWA said:ummm that isnt totally correct. in fact current fuel cell vehicles are not any more efficient in using energy than the Prius. and yes the Prius is about 200% more efficient than a normal car.
however, PLANNED fuel cell vehicles should be more efficient. but they are not here today, it is the expected efficiency they would achieve AFTER the technology which currently doesnt exist is invented. here is a graph that shows what the car will do after it gets the energy.
http://priuschat.com/forums/album_pic.php?pic_id=909
My husband and I were just talking about this tonight. He bought a VW Jetta diesel back in May specifically to be able to use Biodiesel. Apparently, we lucked out and live less than an hour from the only refinery on the East Coast... and he drives by it at least once a week. He's getting about 42-45 MPG, and the cost is almost the same as petro-diesel.that is correct, it is a diesel-electric hybrid. sorry for the fuzzy pic, it was pouring rain when i took this pic so i wasnt about to get out of the car. i should wait for a good day and get another...
the state of WA has mandated that all State fleets investigate low poluting alternative fuel options. the bio-fuel used in the buses here is specially filtered to reduce all major types of exhaust. being behind on of these buses will convince you instantly as the exhaust from these buses smells almost like ozone or something like that. definitely no "smoky" smell to it.
Well, they do have their chemistry right in the article. They clearly state that "The catalyst splits each hydrogen molecule into two hydrogen protons and two electrons." And of course, a hydrogen molecule consist of two hydrogen atoms, and therefore of two protons and two electrons.FBear said:Please read the MSN article carefully. There is one glaring error that I've found and there maybe more. Last time I checked the Atomic weight of Hydrogen is one (1) which means it has one proton plus one electron. Unless this company has figured out how to defeat the laws of phyisics then there is no way in hell they will be able to split an atom of Hydrogen into two protons and two electrons, unless of course they are trying for a nuclear explosion and then they still wouldn't get two protons and two electrons. Currently one of the ways to get hydrogen gas to use in the electricity to split water. There is definitely a false sense of economy and greeness here mainly because our current system of electric generation is very diry whether it is generate from nuclear or coal.
They said a "molecule" of hydrogen. Two atoms of hydrogen usually stick together as in H2 (the 2 is a subscript). From one molecule of hydrogen there are two protons and two electrons. I think they stated it correctly.FBear said:Please read the MSN article carefully. There is one glaring error that I've found and there maybe more. Last time I checked the Atomic weight of Hydrogen is one (1) which means it has one proton plus one electron. Unless this company has figured out how to defeat the laws of phyisics then there is no way in hell they will be able to split an atom of Hydrogen into two protons and two electrons, unless of course they are trying for a nuclear explosion and then they still wouldn't get two protons and two electrons. Currently one of the ways to get hydrogen gas to use in the electricity to split water. There is definitely a false sense of economy and greeness here mainly because our current system of electric generation is very diry whether it is generate from nuclear or coal.
Especially Carbon Dioxide and Ozone?DaveinOlyWA said:all gas molecules form in pairs of atoms except the noble gas family