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Since I have owned Priuses for the last 4 years, I have found that Hummer drivers will give you an entertaining show. I have had the bird flipped at me on many an ocassion, been screamed at many a time...even had my poor baby 2003 Prius spit on (easy to do for an H2..they sit up in nosebleed heaven...).


Maybe they are jealous that my 2003 Prius was a better trade-in (even after being nearly totaled in an acident in 2005) and held its value better than their H2? Or perhaps bcause their weekly fuel bill would run my car for 6 weeks?

As a joke today I'm taking the 2007 one week old Prius and "trying" to trade it in for an H2 (but I really won't! I just want to see the reaction of the sales staff..lol). You can tell I have not much of a life..lol.
 

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wow!

Wow! I've never seen or gotten anything like that but I've only had my Prius less than a year. Although I think people who drive H2s are asshats, they don't seem to do anything like that.
 

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Bullet 875 doesn't indicate his location but it can't be pleasant. I have never encountered any animosity account of driving my Prius almost three years. Most people in New England do not know what a Prius is and the car gets no more attention than any other compact car.
If the price of gas meant anything at all there would be no Hummers on the road today.
I test drove a new Mazda CX7 this week and when I mentioned that the drawback as I saw it was the required premium gas it required account of the turbo-charged four cylinder engine. (Premium is 30 cents a gallon more here than regular)
The salesman pulled out a circular computer and asked me how many miles a year I drove. When I said 12,000 he did a little math and said, "wouldn't $147.00 a year be worth it to drive a Porsche 911 like SUV?" And you know what? he was right.
 

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Ask if he'd be willing to pay it for you. That and the cost of the extra gas to compensate for the 24 miles per gallon the SUV gets.
 

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Iv'e driven this small hybrid for almost three years and you can't imagine the differance from driving a high performance car and if your not driving a 60 mile commute daily the cost is well worth it. That six speed auto/manual transmission (ala Chrysler 300) is really something else.
The buying public also must feel a little this way. My local dealer has had three unsold Prius in his lot for a month now and the big seller seems to be the Yaris.
Even Ricky must be able to get them easily now and even offers a thousand dollar discount, and that in California.
 

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They should have PRIUS ENVY!

I have driven a Prius since the end of 2002 and have never had a negative reaction. Most people don't even know what it is. Occasionally, bikers with leather jackets will give me a thumbs up.

Here is my solution, a bumper sticker just for Prius owners:
 

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I'm in NJ and that probably explains it ...lol. It seems that, in NJ, everything seems to upset some people. Plus I'm at the shore which has seen a bad year between tourism and the housing bust..many people seem to be on the edge here, both emotionally and financially.

I do understand that if the commute isn't large, that you don't save a whole lot of gas with the Prius vs a different car, but I see the savings as not only in gas, but also in emissions.


I think the reason why the Yaris is selling is because it is only 11K base price. People are getting sick of having to basically take out a second mortgage to buy a car. Amazingly you can even lease new Mercedes and H3s in my area starting at $299 per month. And we see more older cars on the road here than we used to...people are holding onto their cars longer.

I also was going to trade the Prius in for a Yaris..I think the reason wny the dealership tried to talk me out of it is becaus the 2003 Prius for the Yairs woud have been an even trade. I have found that the dealers I work with seem to like to steer you away from a Yaris...they always suggest Scions instead (of course they cost 4K more base). Probably a profit motive thing. I think the Yaris is a cute car...and better looking than my 2007 Prius..though I think you get a lot of car with both Prius and Yaris for the money.

I think that if gas goes back up to $3.00 a gallon again you'll see Priuses fly off of the lots..with a 3 to 5K premium above sticker..which makes no sense to me (you wouldn't save enough in gas to make up for that difference).


The great thing is that Prius retains its value very well. That's one reason why I stayed with it.
 

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I'm sweating out the resale value of my 04 now. This mornings paper had adds for as many as 15 Prius in stock starting at $19,777. KBB still lists my 04 at $20,000.
Big Article in the Boston Globe today quoting study showing factory incentives being much more important to todays buyers than milage figures.
I agree, the Yaris is a much better looking car than the prius which are becoming a little "stale." Too bad, Toyota isn't sticking the "synergy units" into more of their cars like the Yaris.
I sort of get the idea that Toyota might be having second thoughts about hybrids. They don't get the crowds they use too at the auto shows.
 

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Well the Hybrid is slightly old news.. but to me I prefer it that way. Mad props to those folks that bought the first gen Prius and all that fun stuff.. and I know they had a lot of kinks to go through. I got the 2006 and are plenty happy.. even if there was a recall I'd have to suffer through I wouldn't think of it all that bad. I think they've come a long way and got the system down.. which is all I want.. stability.
 

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Wait till gas goes back up to $3.00 a gallon..

Which I keep hearing predictions for (possibly back to $3.00 by spring). You'll see a lot more interest in hybrids again and you'll see prices shooting back up.

It seems that every time gas gets back down to $2.00 to $2.25, SUV sales go up, and when gas goes up to $2.75 or so you see these new SUVs in front yards everywhere with "for sale " sign on them. When gas was $3.00 a gallon, there were articles in our papers here about how a 2003 Hummer only had the same trade in value as a 2003 Prius.


I think that hybrid interest will wax and wane with gas prices but will make a major "comeback" when people realize that higher gas prices are here to stay.
 

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Except for the fifty mile a day commuters the major magazine, newspaper, and consumer writers all are saying that the consumer in the U.S. today is more interested in factory rebates than they are in milage figures on a window sticker. Personally, I am waiting for the first factory rebate to be offered on the Mazda CX7 SUV.
I'm waiting patiently to exchange my low milage Prius for a sportscar/SUV, even though it only gets 23MPG and that only with premium fuel.
Course I bought my Prius when gas was a buck and a half a gallon but my curiousty has been satisfied.
 

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When looking at it purely from a cost of ownership perspective, looking for rebates and sales may be wise. Capital costs can eat up operational cost savings.
 

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I don't worry much about the Hummers except when they are being driven by people who think they own the road. (I don't know, maybe that's all of them?) These folks think that by riding your rear bumper they can make you and the traffic ahead of you disappear. Of course, these people drive all sorts of cars and trucks, not just Hummers, but I fear what a Hummer could do if it was to rear-end my Prius.
 

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:D Hi hyperion...

Don't know about Mass., but Nov 11th in Dallas TX, I got $20,500 trade for my '04 Pkg 8 [low miles 22,000] on an '07 touring Pkg 6, plus >$500 reduction from MSRP on the '07. I had originally paid $24,500 for the '04 in October '04 used with 4,000 miles on the clock. In North Texas, many dealers have Prius 'on the lot' and are 'dealing' unlike just a couple of months back.

As for Hummers, I continue to be amused, not comprehending WHY one would want to drive such a vehicle. Must be an EGO or MACHO thing - 'playing like I'm a Green Beret on patrol in the war zone.' RangeRover drivers seem similar - like 'playing like' they're driving on the African savannah in search of big game. I have never received comments, either verbal or 'middle finger salutes,' in criticism of my choice of the Prius.

HAPPY HOLIDAYS
 

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true about Hummer and other car damage..

I was sideswpied by a Ford Explorer on 9/11/05 in my 2003 Classsic Prius...no one was hurt, but threre was $9k worth of damage (12K if they had replaced the hybrid battery). Had the car not been worth 19K (retail) at the time the insurance company would have totaled the car...probably would have been best because she was never the same after that. I ended up trading her 3 weeks ago for a 2007 because my power steering rack started to go and I wasn't paying 3K to fix it on a car that had already sustained 9K worth of damage. Much of the cost was because there are few aftermarket parts for the Prius...most had to come directly frm Toyota Japan...it also took 3 months for the car to be fixed.


I think that when people try to compare the cost of owning a Prius vs another car, it's hard, because while you can say "A hybrid Camry costs 2K more than a comparable ICE only one" there is nothing to compare the Prius to because Prius doesn't have an ICE only version. I have the 2007 Seaside pearl, non-touring version with package #3, and I think that my $25,000 would not have gotten me all the bells and whistles that I got on my Prius. Considering that my dealer had a 2005 on the lot with 11K miles for $24500, with the tax break of $1500, my new Prius was cheaper than the used one. Plus, they are named on Edmunds .com as being one of the top 10 cars to hold their value. Let's face it though, unless you are buying a unique car (like a 100K plus Bentley), cars are not a good investment no matter what brand.

I've driven 1K miles thus far..gas milegae about 44-46 MPG, most expensive fill up was $17.00.
 

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I just spent a week in Arizona driving a rented Pontiac Vibe (same as Toyota Matrix sometimes compared to Prius), not a bad conventional car. Getting back in my Prius this morning was a real treat. I don't know why anyone would want a car with obnoxious things such as idling at stoplights or auto transmission shifting.

HSD may not be a cheaper way to build a drive train but in my opinion it is definitely a better way.
 

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I've never had any reaction like that from SUV owners. Of course I live on the west side of LA and you can't swing a dead cat over your head without hitting a Prius it seems (even more so in Santa Monica). So perhaps we're just safer in numbers. :)

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Prius seems to be the status car for certain Hollywood ...

stars. I know that Cameron Diaz, Leonardo Di Caprio, and Meryl Streep all drive Prii. Also, Ed Begley Jr, who is a big green proponent, has driven Prii and EV Rav 4s (when they were available) for years and is workng hard to get Hollywood (and everyone else) to convert to Prii or EV, solar, composting, etc. That's actually how I originally found out about the Prius in 2002...read articles about them with Meryl, Cameron, and Ed B. Jr. I thought that they would be prohibitively expensive until I actually priced one when gas hit $1.60 a gal in NJ (I drove agas guzzling SUV at the time). I bought the car on the spot!
 
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