[michaelplevy]

I'm picking up my '04 package #6 in Seaside Pearl tomorrow. To celebrate, I thought I would join up here and share a link I haven't seen shared on these forums - http://www.fuh2.com/.

What do you think? I look forward to posting pictures of my new Prius next to some of these guzzlers.

 

[kenlacy]

Congrats on the new prius!

Spread the hate - that is good right?

 

[richard schumacher]

Spread the hate - that is good right?

"Hate the sin, lover the sinner". Or maybe for H2 owners, "hate the stupidity, love the stupid" :_>

 

[kenlacy]

It is funny to me that people get so upset about someone owning a Hummer or H2. Personally, I think they are ugly, but to each his own.

However, you would cut back on a lot more emmissions if you would get everyone to dump their riding or push lawn mowers and go back to pushing around a some spinning blades.

Or how about taking on all the celebrities who jet set around the world.

To me, there are a lot more important causes to dedicate your time to than attacking Hummer owners.

Obviously it is coming from something deeper than just the "environmental" concern.

 

[richard schumacher]

Attacking Hummer owners is just an amusement. I hope that all of us are also pursuing worthwhile causes.

 

[Daniel]

We've seen that link before, but it may be new to some folks. The fact that such a site exists is more amusing than the site itself. The folks who do that site seem to be too angry to do a good job of it. Ot maybe they're just not imaginative enough.

It's unfortunate in my opinion, that flagrantly wasteful behavior is not generally regarded as socially unacceptable. Not just gas, but all our resources.

 

[BIF]

...It's unfortunate in my opinion, that flagrantly wasteful behavior is not generally regarded as socially unacceptable. Not just gas, but all our resources.

That day is coming, Daniel. Be careful what you wish for.

 

[Saruman]

The only Hummers I see in Richmond are real estate agents (who prob got the huge tax write-off) and street pharmacists.

It has a negative connotation here for anyone over 18 years of age and is fast-fading.

 

[michaelplevy]

I don't hate my Hummer brothers. However, I think it will be more meaningful to post pictures of my Prius next to a Hummer rather than a silly finger salute.

 

[clshep]

I wonder what people would think of me? Considering I own an H2 and also plan on purchasing a Prius. Would people call me a hypocrite as I pull into my garage in my Prius right next to my Hummer?

I work a good distance away from my home and I currently drive an Oldsmobile to and from during the weekdays. It doesn’t get “great” gas mileage however I average about 25 mpg on the freeway.

The whole reason of getting the Prius is because of the technological aspect as well as the great gas mileage. But, on vacations and some weekends my family and I will drive up to South Lake Tahoe and I love the power of the H2 as well as the 4 wheel drive during the winter months when it snows heavily.

Does this make me a bad person because I own an H2 although plan on purchasing a Prius? Will the salesmen turn me away when I go to pick up my Prius (whenever on God’s green earth it arrives) and I drive up in my H2?

Although I’m being facetious in my questions, I can’t help but wonder why people have such a problem with SUV’s, especially Hummers. We live in a free country and we should be able to drive anything we want without getting "the finger" from anyone as the website above promotes.

That's my two-cents.

 

[Daniel]

Giving "the finger" to anyone is childish. But you are speaking to a crowd that, by and large, considers it socially irresponsible to pollute the air. Freedom implies responsibility. Not everything that is legal is laudable. Would I consider you a bad person? No. But I do think you are driving a bad car (The H2). You will love the Prius, though. Maybe you'll even love it enough that you decide to sell the H2 and use the money for something else.

 

[ehurtley]

Well, for my $0.03 (inflation):

My wife and I own three cars. A 1992 Ford Explorer XLT, a 1999 Hyundai Accent L, and our new 2004 Toyota Prius. Before the Prius, it was just the Explorer and Accent. I owned the Accent when we met, and she owned the Explorer when we met. We both bought them because at the times, we could afford to buy them each outright. She had just been in a very serious accident, and felt safer in the Explorer, since her last car was a small car. So I understand her reasoning.

The Explorer gets about 10-15 mpg (got it up to 20mpg once, heading down the Rockies.) The Accent gets 30-35 (Long freeway drives get 40.) Well, my wife has a 9-year-old son that I became stepdad to, and both cars are fairly safe for him, in the back seat. And with a kid and a dog, the Explorer is GREAT for vacations. (We tried to camp with the Accent once, won't try that again.) Especially since we tend to go far on our vacations (we live in Portland, and our last three vacations were Yellowstone, Yosemite, and Olympic National Parks.) We drove the Accent to Tucson, without camping gear, and it was just barely big enough.

Well, now we've got a baby on the way (had a false labor a couple weeks ago, due any day now for real,) and decided that neither vehicle is 'safe enough'. I'd been wanting a Prius for awhile, and the many airbags, ABS, and VSC helped sell it over a couple alternatives.

But, we're still keeping the other two cars. I drive about 1500 miles a month, and my wife drives maybe 1000. By my math, switching from Accent/Explorer to Prius/Accent will save us about $100 in gas the first year. (At an average $2.00 a gallon.) Unfortunately, this does *NOT* make up for the $1000 a year extra it will cost us in insurance. (Although our second-runner-up new car would have cost $200 a year more in insurance than the Prius, with less gas savings.)

I'm not going to delude myself by thinking that the Prius will actually SAVE us money. I did a big fancy spreadsheet, and compared to our second-runner-up new car (A 2005 Hyundai Elantra GT,) it will take 10 years for the Prius to break even. (That's even assuming the Prius costs significantly less in maintenance.) And compared to just keeping our current two cars, it will take the Prius 20 years before it has 'paid for itself'. (Of course, that assumes that all three cars would survive 20 years.)

But, between the extra safety, the environmental factor, and the 'geek factor', the Prius is worth it. Will this mean I stop driving my SUV? No. We'll still take it camping every 3-4 months, and use it for the occasional haul of stuff to Goodwill or the dump, but it will no longer average 1000 miles a month plus 2000-3000 once or twice a year. Now it will be closer to 100 most months, with an extra 2000-3000 once a year. (I figure non-camping trips will be in the Prius, since it has more space than the Accent.)

 

[clshep]

Thanks for the input Daniel, I understand where you’re coming from as well as the other “crowd” that is against such extravagancies as an H2 however, I would tend to disagree with you that the H2 pollutes the air more than other vehicles. Sure, it pollutes more than a Honda or a Hyundai however compared to other V-8’s, it pollutes the same. Doesn’t matter if it’s a H2, Silverado, F-150, heck even my Dad’s Mark VIII has a V-8.

I will agree with you that freedom does indeed imply responsibility and I am quite responsible for and with my H2. I don’t cut people off and I’m a defensive driver as my insurance company with attest to. I’m quite familiar with the H2 because I spent an extensive amount of time in an m1025 during the Gulf War. (The 1st one.) I’m aware of its power and its size and I make every effort to insure the safety of others when I drive it.

As far as selling my H2 for something else? Perhaps, but it will be for another SUV not for something smaller or without 4 wheel drive. With as much time as I spend driving in the snow, it’s a luxury that I will insure my family has when driving in such conditions. I’d rather have a 4x4 than putting chains on a 4 banger (or Prius) and hope the chains are enough to get me where I’m going.

Shep

 

[Daniel]

Around here the 4WD and AWD vehicles get stuck more often than the regular cars. That's because when it snows the folks with regular cars wait for the snow plows to clear the roads. The folks with the 4WD and AWD think they can get through, so they go out before the plows. Often they do get through. But not as often as the folks who wait for the plow.

My first 2 cars were CJ5 Jeeps, which I bought for the same reason: to get through the snow. I spent more time shovelling out every winter I had the Jeeps than in the entire 16 years since then.

And on ice the front wheel drive and electronics of the Prius provide more control than 4WD or AWD.

 

[SkipHuffman]

Will the salesmen turn me away when I go to pick up my Prius (whenever on God’s green earth it arrives) and I drive up in my H2?

I don't know. I rode up to fill out paperwork for my Prius on my Kymco Motorscooter. It only gets about 70mpg. The dealer did not seem to mind. In fact he kept asking me about it.

So when our Prius comes in it will be the third most efficient vehicle in our fleet.

1. 90mpg: My wife's Kymco People 50
2. 70mpg: My Kymco People 150
3. 55mpg:The new Prius
4. 19mpg:My 92 Dodge Power Ram 50 Pickup

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[melgish]

So when our Prius comes in it will be the third most efficient vehicle in our fleet.

Doesn't that depend on your definition of efficiency? Your scooter might get you to the store, but will it efficiently carry home your groceries?

 

[CaPriusLover]

I don't hate my Hummer brothers. However, I think it will be more meaningful to post pictures of my Prius next to a Hummer rather than a silly finger salute.

I had my Prius parked next to an H2 a while ago. I was pissed that I didn't have my camera available. I hate the Hummers for 2 main reasons:
1) They drink gas like an alcoholic drinks Vodka
2) Being behind one is like driving with a huge wall infront of you. That goes for all SUV's, but the H2 is so damn big, it makes my hate for it that much bigger.

I loved the shot of the H2 on the grass with the comment that said something like, "This is the only time this H2 will ever go offroad."

As a side note, I now know of 2 people who got rid of their H2 because of the crappy millage and all the people who ask, "How many gallons to the mile does that thing get?" I say, keep asking these questions!!!

EDIT: In regards to the hummer not polluting more: If the motor burns as cleanly as other V8's, it still is buring MORE fuel and therefore sending MORE pollutants out the exhaust pipe (over the same distance as other V8's with better MPG). Sorry, I don't see how that is the same.

 

[clshep]

I’m not sure if I understand you’re statement of:

“If the motor burns as cleanly as other V8’s, it still is burning more fuel”

Huh? Whaa? :?:

A V8 is a V8. I don’t understand how you can say the H2’s V8 pollutes more than a Silverado’s V8? Are you saying that an H2’s V8 will pollute more than say a Dodge Ram 1500 with a V10?

If you really want to know the mpg on an H2, it varies depending on whether I’m off road or freeway. But I’d say I average about 15 mpg on the freeway and about 10 when off-road. And yes, I do go off-road with my H2.

Shep

 

[CaPriusLover]

I’m not sure if I understand you’re statement of:

“If the motor burns as cleanly as other V8’s, it still is burning more fuel”

Huh? Whaa? :?:

A V8 is a V8. I don’t understand how you can say the H2’s V8 pollutes more than a Silverado’s V8? Are you saying that an H2’s V8 will pollute more than say a Dodge Ram 1500 with a V10?

If you really want to know the mpg on an H2, it varies depending on whether I’m off road or freeway. But I’d say I average about 15 mpg on the freeway and about 10 when off-road. And yes, I do go off-road with my H2.

Shep

Two cars with V8's travel 100 miles. The first car burns 10 gallons of gas in that distance. The second car burns 9 gallons of gas in the same distance. Which car put more pollutants into the air over the same distance?

Sorry if I was not clear on that. It certainly seems to be a point that most V8 owners don't consider.

 

[clshep]

I see; so you’re estimating that the H2 will burn more fuel than other V8’s and V10’s because…..it’s heavier than these other vehicles?

Just trying to make sense of your theory that the H2 is a gas guzzling equivalent of an alcoholic and his vodka. :shock: There are a lot of vehicles on the road that suck gas just as fast if not worse than an H2.

The Dodge Ram 1500, Chevy SSR, Silverado, Toyota Tundra, Escalade, Tahoe, Suburban, Yukon, even the Nissan Armada sucks gas just as bad as the H2 but I don’t see anyone complaining about these vehicles.

Shep