Toyota Prius Forum banner

1 - 9 of 9 Posts
G

·
Guest
Joined
·
0 Posts
Discussion Starter #1
I've had my green Prius since Aug 2000. Some 22,000 miles later I've noticed some wear on the tires. I went shopping for tires and was told (by a sears mechanic) not to install "on the shelf" replacement tires. I was told that because of the vehicle load that I needed to use the Bridgestone "Extra Load" tires. Has anyone heard this? Is anyone using other than the issued extra load tires that came with the car?

mike g
 
G

·
Guest
Joined
·
0 Posts
Discussion Starter #2
In the pop-up group on Yahoo, lots of people have discussed the replacement tire issue.

If I remember correctly, the Prius requires extra-load tires because (a) it is somewhat heavier compared to other cars of its size, and especially the small tire size; and (b) regenerative braking skews the load on the tires, and the fronts bear a lot of braking pressure.

Many people swear by the Michelin X-Ones -- they are supposed to provide much better handling but do cost you 1-2 mpg. You need to buy them slightly larger than the Potenzas. I forget the details -- something about "185".

Perhaps someone with actual experience can chime in and help. I just rent the things, I don't own one.
 
G

·
Guest
Joined
·
0 Posts
Discussion Starter #3
I don't know about the size but the extra load Potenzas on my 2002 Prius are clearly marked maximum load 500 Kilograms/ 1102 pounds, so I would assume any other brand that has at least this weight indicated on the tire itself would be sufficient, whether it be Firestone, Goodyear, Goodrich, Cooper, Michellen, or you name it!

regards,
Don good
 
G

·
Guest
Joined
·
0 Posts
Discussion Starter #4
Trouble is, there are very few tires of the right size that have this load ability, not to mention the low rolling resistance. Apparently Canadian Priuses are being delivered with Dunlop tires, and as mentioned above, the Michelin X-1 has been tried and liked by several owners.

[%sig%]
 
G

·
Guest
Joined
·
0 Posts
Discussion Starter #5
The correct size for Michelin X-One is P185/65R14 85T. This tire exceeds the load rating of the stock Potenzas and has an almost identical number of revolutions per mile (so your odometer/speedometer stay accurate). They will last much longer than the Pontenzas, but they are not "low rolling resistance" and cannot be inflated above 35 psi. So there's a mileage drop.

If you don't need new tires right away, stay tuned. Some people are planning to try out some Dunlops that can inflate to 44 psi (which should lower rolling resistance). And there was a brief rumor on the ad supported group of a longer treadlife Pontenza low rolling resistance tire coming out.

[%sig%]
 
G

·
Guest
Joined
·
0 Posts
Discussion Starter #6
One more thing to keep in mind - The term "low rolling resistance" is not defined by any central agency so has different meanings to different people. I checked with a couple of tire outlets about this term and basically put they said that the compounds in the tires have a higher silica content (I think thats the correct component), and because of that higher silica content, have less resistance to rolling than non-silica compounds. I then was told by the same tire suppliers, that most , if not all newer tire models have this silica content. So in my opinion, if the tire can be inflated to the 44 # range then you will probably get a similar rolling resistance assuming tread design and size is about the same.

I think Pirelli has a 44psi summer tire available (XL rated) too.

PS -
Bridgstone RE92 replacement XL tires are @ 52$ per tire online versus lots more at Toyota.

(I am not advertising for the online tire supplier - so if you don't know who I mean, then just ask).

steve dickerson
'02 super white 10k plus miles... tires still good tread

[%sig%]
 
G

·
Guest
Joined
·
0 Posts
Discussion Starter #7
My theory: Low rolling resistance tires are nothing more than a tire with stiff side walls and a small contact are..no magic. This is all accomplished by having the 50 psi max tires as in the XL rated Re92's.

also here's calculation to help explain this...car weight 2700 lbs
+ 2 passengers...say 350 lbs + cargo say 50 lbs..= 3100 lbs.
if tires ARE at 50 psi (assume equal weight distribution for now)
then the average required area in contact to road is = 3100/50 = 62
sq.in. / 4 = 15.5 sq.in per tire..approx. equal to a 3 x 5 spot on
the ground..conclusion ..lower pressure requires more surface area in
contact..and 175 tires don't deform uniformally to accomodate a
larger surface contact area..thus cupped wear pattern. and why at 35
psi michelins need to be 185's.

of course low rolling resistance has a trade-off many cannot accept..harsh ride.

Doug
 
G

·
Guest
Joined
·
0 Posts
Discussion Starter #8
The Extra Load tires (load factor 84 - 1102 lb) are standard on the US and Canada Prius. It is my understanding that Prius in Europe and Japan have a lower load rating (load factor 81 - 1019 lb).

I looked at the label on the bottom of my driver door frame and noticed the following information.

GVWR (Gross Vehicle Weight Rating)
3615 LB

GAWR FR (Gross Axle Weight Rating - Front)
1970 LB

GAWR RR (Gross Axle Weigt Rating - Rear)
1685 LB

From this data I can see that the front axle is rated to support a maximum of 1970 LB. This means that even if I buy the load factor 81 (1019 LB) tire I will still exceed the weight limit of the front axle before I exceed the weight limit of the tires (assuming the tires are inflated to max pressure ... tires support less weight when pressure is below the max pressure).

So, why extra load tires in North America but not elsewhere? Good question. Some have suggested that it is because Americans tend to be overweight. :) I guess Toyota thinks we will overload our cars. I tend to agree. The curb weight of the Prius is about 2765 LB. The maximum weight the vehicle is designed to carry is 3615 LB. This gives the Prius a cargo capacity of 850 LBS. If you think about using the Prius to haul football players around it is easy to come up with a scenario that exceeds the vehicle weight limits. But if you have extra load tires you may not exceed the tire weight limits. :)

A tire can only support its maximum weight when it is filled to maximum cold pressure (the pressure will exceed this maximum when the tire heats up but as long as you don't exceed the maximum cold pressure it is OK). Why does the owners manual say to fill the tires to only 35/33 when the tires are rated at 50 psi? The tires will not support a 1102 LB load unless they are filled to 50 psi. If the Prius *required* extra load tires the owners manual would specify 50 psi. I think the extra load tires were chosen simply because they have a larger safety margin than standard tires and a larger safety margin equates to a lower failure rate.

By the way, you say you notice wear at 22,000 miles. This sounds about right. The OEM Bridgestone XL Potenza RE92 with a treadwear rating of 160 is a 25,000 mile tire. I plan to replace my tires with the Bridgestone XL Potenza RE922 with a treadwear rating of 260 that is advertised as a 40,000 mile tire.

For some reason Toyota decided to give the US Prius a low mileage tire (25,000 mi) with a higher safety margin instead of a regular tread life tire (40,000 mi) with a regular safety margin.
 

·
Registered
Joined
·
5 Posts
dunlops much better

The michelin x-one is a decent tire, but for a lower price you can buy the Dunlop SP10 tire in the 175/65R14 size, it has a better weight rating and is speed rated up over 160 mph. Plus, this is the tire being put on Canadian Prisues, so it must be OK.
 
1 - 9 of 9 Posts
Top