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The energy needed to make the storage batteries EXCEEDS THE ENERGY SAVED BY THE FRIGGIN' CAR!
I'm not sure where they got their information from. If they go their facts from anywhere at all.

Over the 100000 mile life of the storage batteries (an optimistic assumption) that 15mpg equates to 857 gallons of gasoline saved.
First, as far as I know, no one has had the batteries replaced for simply wearing out yet in the classic. They have been destroyed in accidents and other draining mishaps, but other than that, most of us expect the batteries to last well over 100,000 miles. They're just warrantied for 100K!

The battery bank sells for approx. $5000
The energy to produce batteries is roughly 1/2 the cost, or $2500 worth of energy.
Where did that figure come from? Is that for the retail cost of a battery or for the actual cost? And what kind of energy? Gas is not energy, it's fuel.

In the traditional model of overall cost of car ownership, the manufacture of the car accounts for 15% of the materials and energy. The rest is consumption of fuel and other repairs during its usable life (and then the waste that it creates when disposed of). I am not certain how the hybrid fits into this 15/85 model, but a recent MIT study has shown that a hybrid is far more efficient and has a lower overall footprint than a traditional car or diesel car.

Yes, creation of the actual car and the batteries requires energy and creates pollution. But there is something to be said for that pollution being created in concentrated and heavily controlled places - like factories. Air pollution in our cities causes huge health problems in addition to contributing to overall environmental problems.

There are some interesting and very readable articles on these topics at http://www.gristmagazine.com and the MIT study was cited at Discover Magazine (December) http://www.discover.com/issues/dec-03/r ... fuel-cell/.
 

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clett said:
I've been meaning to ask someone for ages - what does "trolling" mean?
A troll is someone who post something just to get a rise out of people. Sometimes they're really seriously deranged people who like to get into fights and other times they just like to provoke or play devil's advocate because they think that it's funny (or maybe they think they're making a point).

Sometimes "newbies" can be mistaken for trolls, which is sad for the newbie who gets flamed for asking what some may think are stupid questions.
 
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