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I am a conservative (i.e. a Republican) Prius owner. I am embarrassed that the Japanese had a better vision on the current and future needs concerning fuel economy.

I hope to hell Detroit get rolling and blows the doors off Toyota’s lead on this engineering masterpiece ASAP.
 

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Hmmmm, I don't think it's necessary for me to start a feeding frenzy here by trying to explain my own political tendencies and philosophies.

Other than to say that conservatism isn't necessarily the same thing as being a Republican.

<jumping out of the way of the snapping jaws and sharp teeth!> :shock:


Oh, and an observation...I find it interesting that you have not yet voted in your own poll. :p (and of course, neither have I)

EDIT: And as for Detroit "getting rolling", I think that's doubtful. Ford is only just getting started, while Toyota has eight whole years of experience under its belt already! And GM isn't even on the map yet. "Mild hybrids" indeed. Don't do us any more feeble favors, GM!
 

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BOth extremes.

Well, it depends on your definition of 'conservative'. I am a fiscal conservative (i.e. I agree with low taxes, little government regulation of most industries, no subsidies for failing industries, etc.

However, on social issues (abortion, gay marriage, environmental factors, personal liberties,) I am as liberal as they get. Note that this 'liberal' is a *real* liberal. I am pro-gun-rights, and pro-death. (Death penalty, assisted suicide, abortion.)

I am registered as a Republican, but I can't stand Bush. (I don't really like Kerry, either, but at least he has a brain, and cares about more than imperialism; and I think Nader is a self-serving prick.)
 

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What a blatent trap! The heading on this thread says "ConVERSATIVE Prius Owners"! Talk about switch and bait... :twisted:
 

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Is Bush conservative? I don't think so. Does "conservative" mean trying to force your own religion on your fellow citizens, thereby limiting their own religious liberties? Does "conservative" mean robber barron, giving fat war contracts to your pals, who then procede to rob the government blind? Does "conservative" mean deficits so humongous that you take the nation from the biggest surplus in its history to the biggest national debt in its history in one short term?

Barry Goldwater would turn over in his grave! (Odd expression, that.)
 

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I hope to hell Detroit get rolling and blows the doors off Toyota’s lead on this engineering masterpiece ASAP.
By many estimates, Toyota, recently becoming the number two auto maker in the world, will take over the number 1 position from GM sometime around 2010. I suspect their commitment to hybrids will be a key component of their growth. Anybody who experienced GM's approach to the EV1 can see that they aren't particularly interested in diverging from current automotive technology.
 

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Danel has a point...but...

Daniel wrote:
"Is Bush conservative? I don't think so. Does "conservative" mean trying to force your own religion on your fellow citizens, thereby limiting their own religious liberties? Does "conservative" mean robber barron, giving fat war contracts to your pals, who then procede to rob the government blind? Does "conservative" mean deficits so humongous that you take the nation from the biggest surplus in its history to the biggest national debt in its history in one short term?"

Daniel, I have these concerns as well...
BUT...Kerry is a stone communist...

:?
 

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really slanted poll, no other options, like "think Bush has IQ that hovers around room temperature, and wouldn't vote for him no matter what"

Put me in that column,
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Re: Danel has a point...but...

hudel said:
Daniel, I have these concerns as well...
BUT...Kerry is a stone communist...
Kerry, a communist? Hudel, you gotta be kidding. Otherwise, I think a lot of folks would like to share a bit of whatever you're smoking. Did you hear his speech at the convention? The guy is a militaristic anti-communist, very much in the J.F. Kennedy mould, with L.B.J.-style domestic leanings. (think: "Great Society.") Would you have called L.B.J. a communist?

Personally, I wouldn't trust Kerry as far as I could throw him. But at least he's not a total moron. I'll probably be voting for Kerry in order to get the fascist Ashcroft and the robber-baron Cheney out of government.
 

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Danel has a point...but...

Daniel,

If you have considered Kerry’s philosophy based on what he has done and supported, and not what he said Thursday, it would be clear that:

1) Kerry is closer to socialism / communism than freedom of enterprise and individual rights
2) Kerry would have called Kennedy a fascist. Bush is more of a democrat than Kennedy was.
3) Kerry should have a least show more respect for the Viet Nam soldiers than denounce them a bunch of thugs
4) Kerry has a very long history of saying whatever is political expedient at the moment (all politicians do this, but Kerry does it far more than most)

Also Bush is far brighter than the leftist media portrays him as. Remember that what they said before he slapped around smarty pants Gore in the 2000 debates.

LBJ set the tone for today’s liberalism. He showed how distributing wealth was easy way to gain votes and power in our electoral system.

Cheney has and could make far more money as private citzen than as VP...some how that fact is over looked...

If you are comfortable with Kerry, then...
:roll:
 

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Wow, how about that, a light-hearted political debate without name-calling!

I never would have thought it possible. :roll:
 

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Argh! Must fight desire to respond to Hudel's regurgitated unsubstantiated Republican talking points! :twisted:

Seriously, there are are better places (a large number of blogs come to mind) for a general political discussion that this has devolved into (The opener strikes me as bait frankly, but I can accept the possibility that Hudel started the thread with honest intentions). So can we push this debate back into a more Prius-related realm? :)

For example, which do you expect to do more to encourage hybrid technology development and production?
 

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I wrote:

For example, which do you expect to do more to encourage hybrid technology development and production?
Which should have said: For example, which ticket do you expect to do more to encourage hybrid technology development and production?
 

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I wrote:

For example, which do you expect to do more to encourage hybrid technology development and production?
Which should have said: For example, which ticket do you expect to do more to encourage hybrid technology development and production?
None of them, because none has spoken about this issue during their respective campaigns.

And if one did, I would have to consider many other factors before casting my vote. Any reasonable person would, wouldn't they?
 

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Re: Danel has a point...but...

hudel said:
Daniel,

If you have considered Kerry’s philosophy based on what he has done and supported, and not what he said Thursday, it would be clear that:

1) Kerry is closer to socialism / communism than freedom of enterprise and individual rights
2) Kerry would have called Kennedy a fascist. Bush is more of a democrat than Kennedy was.
3) Kerry should have a least show more respect for the Viet Nam soldiers than denounce them a bunch of thugs
4) Kerry has a very long history of saying whatever is political expedient at the moment (all politicians do this, but Kerry does it far more than most)

Also Bush is far brighter than the leftist media portrays him as. Remember that what they said before he slapped around smarty pants Gore in the 2000 debates.

LBJ set the tone for today’s liberalism. He showed how distributing wealth was easy way to gain votes and power in our electoral system.

Cheney has and could make far more money as private citzen than as VP...some how that fact is over looked...

If you are comfortable with Kerry, then...
:roll:
First off, I repeat that I don't like Kerry.

But apparently, any welfare program is "communism" to you, so we are just using those words to mean entirely different things. No point beating that dead horse. Kerry does not denounce Vietnam vets as thugs. He is a Vietnam vet. And by all accounts risked his life many times to save his companions. (Bush, on the other hand, is a draft dodger: first he got his daddy to use his influence to get him into the Air National Guard, and then he went AWOL even from that, and finally he got his daddy to cover it up.)

As for Cheney, his salary would be higher in private enterprise than it is in government, but the money he makes for himself and his pals by being able to give out government contracts without open bidding, and letting Enron write the nation's energy policy, dwarfs anything he could make without that political power. The guy is a Grade-A number-one corporate sleazeball.

Kennedy and Kerry were very similar in their political views. Kennedy was a much more charismatic speaker, and was a hundred times more of a womanizer than Clinton, but both Kennedy and Kerry came out of the same liberal Massachusetts political philosophy.

As for Bush, when they told him the planes had hit the WTC, he looks like he's saying, "Where's my mommy???" A picture speaks a thousand words. The poor slob can't even speak the English language.
 

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For example, which ticket do you expect to do more to encourage hybrid technology development and production?
The Bushist faction of the Repugnican party, because they can now use it as an excuse to push more cash into the hands of Ford and GM.

It is sobering to realize that Repugnicans would now consider Richard Nixon too liberal to be nominated President.
 
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