RSnyder said:I suppose anything's possible with the right skills and equipment, but there are a couple challenges to overcome.
The Prius A/C condenser is integrated into a single module with the engine coolant radiator. If you're just replacing an existing Insight A/C, you could probably just reuse that condenser. Otherwise, it might be tricky to fit the Prius unit into the Insight. Probably not so hard in a Civic.
The DC electric motor needs a computer generated three-phase AC waveform. So you need an inverter. The Prius inverter is run by computers that are undocumented and expect to be integrated into a Prius system. You might be better off building your own inverter. You would need to figure out how to read the motor position sensor to get the waveform right.
As for physical mounting, you'll need to find experts at that sort of thing (or be one yourself).
Good luck. If you take this on, let us know how it goes. Take lots of pictures.
The 2006 Civic (coming out this fall) will have the same electric/gas A/C system that the Accord uses, and you might be able to refit one of those into your Civic. You'd just have to wait for one to be totalled, or maybe order a replacement from Honda directly.ElectricTroy said:(please see subject)
And yet, we see the Accord IMA using an electric A/C. So much for your theory that it's not possible.john1701a said:Why bother? That hybrid uses a PASSIVE electrical system. There simply is not enough electricity available to take advantage of electric A/C anyway.
Not true. The A/C in Accord-Hybrid is not pure like in Prius.ElectricTroy said:And yet, we see the Accord IMA using an electric A/C.
Not true. Owners have clearly stated that too, coining "forced charge" to describe the mode in which on-the-fly charging takes place. That is far from constant.ElectricTroy said:Also, you've forgotten that Honda is *also* persistant..... constantly providing a charge from the engine-to-the-battery.
Which is what I want. I'm satisfied with the low-power A/C in the Accord to keep my insight cool. I don't need to turn my car into a freezer.john1701a said:
TRICKLE == PASSIVEElectricTroy said:My Honda spends 99% of its time in that "trickle charge" mode, and that's plenty of power to operate electric A/C.
Hi John,john1701a said:. . .Prius diverts 27% of the energy from the engine to the generator 100% of the time it is running. That is dramatically more than the Honda. . .
Nonsense. Trickle charging is still charging. My Honda spends 99% of its time in a charging mode. ----- You're making up random terms like "passive charge" and "persistant charge" that have absolutely no meaning in the world of electrical engineering.john1701a said:
Not me.If at the bottom of the hill I am at very low charge... I definitely want the car to charge the batery while I climb the hill!
That's, in theory, definetly the best way to do it. You're going to lose energy on the conversion from ICE -> Generator -> Battery -> Inverter -> accessories that you have to do in the Prius. Since the A/C isn't belt driven off the engine (which is also good, no parasitic drag when it's on), you have to put up with that no matter what you do.ElectricTroy said:Better to turn off the generator, so *all* the engine's power is used overcoming gravity.