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I've been looking at the Prius for sometime now and can't decide if it's really worth what you're giving up. I mean the looks are VERY dull, the performance is non existent, and I've heard the gas mileage isn't quite up to the advertiesed specs. Now if you really are getting 60+ MPG on a consistent basis, then it may just be worth it, but the general consensus seems to be that 45 MPG is good in these cars. If that's the case then I'll just hang onto the corolla as I'm seeing an average of 40-42 MPG in it and it actually looks much better IMHO.

Check this video out about a test drive done on a prius recently... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oOvp69lnZbA&NR

Can you guys change my mind?

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Everyone has their own reasons to buy a car. Some want performance, some want looks, some want mileage.... I want to do the right thing.

The mileage is very good on the Prius. Yes, I can average 55 MPG with the right conditions. In city driving with lots of very short trips (under a mile), my previous car got 14MPG and the Prius does about 36.

MPG isn't everything when it comes to the ecological benefits. The Prius is designed for extremely low emmissions. Even at highway speeds, the car is one of the cleanest cars out there (it may even be THE cleanest)

If you are looking for a dollar payback, no, it's not worth it. If you want to be part of the solution, it's worth every penny!

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But is the Prius really part of a solution? It seem's more like a bandaid. It still uses fossil fuel. A real solution would be to not use fossil fuel. Don't you think that stop-gaps just delay the real solution? The only reason I'd have for buying a Prius is economical because I don't understand how, in the long run, it's helping anything else.
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1)If you think it looks dull then I won't be able to convince you otherwise. I think it's a fascinating look...unique and immediately identifiable, interesting curves and lines, a smart design that looks small outside and is roomy inside.

2)It's not a performance vehicle...if you need/want a performance vehicle then the Prius isn't for you. If you need a family vehicle that will consistantly and reliably get you from point A to point B using less gas and creating lower emissions than anything else in it's class (mid-size sedan) then the performance is great.

3)Fuel economy varies a lot in hybrids and even more so depending upon your particular driving conditions and how you're willing to adjust your driving style to take advantage of the unique qualities of the Prius HSD. My lifetime average is 53.5mpg in the midwest, mixed driving at 55k miles over 3.5 years....and it's rising slowly.

Your comment about "Is it worth it" is highly subjective. I've saved over $6000 on gas alone over what I'd have spent on my Ford Expedition...the vehicle my Prius replaced. I enjoy driving it. I enjoy the luxury features such as SKS, Bluetooth, Nav, the multi-display, the VSC, etc. It's quite adequate for my family of 5 even on medium to long distance trips. For me this car's been worth more than I could have ever imagined. I still love to drive it and test it's limits and my limits for fuel economy. The performance is more than adequate for any type of sane legal driving. If you want to race, if you want to beat the 'vette off the line, if you want to tow a 5000lb horse trailer, or if you think you need a monster SUV to feel like a "man" when you're driving then the Prius won't be worth it.

The 'test drive' video is a joke...those idiots have a stick up their butt about the Prius...they even shot up a 1G Prius in one video while they mocked it and emphesised the various weaknesses and ignored the strengths.

Why not test drive one yourself, or go for an outting with a friend or neighbor who has one and see what you think. The Prius is as 'worth it' as a Corolla, an Accord, whatever.

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I have a new Prius as of Monday. (Family trade/swap of my 2005) and as we were about to drive out with 2 Priuses, our salesman pointed out a 2000 Prius just traded in by a lady. The mileage was 173,000 miles.

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But is the Prius really part of a solution? It seem's more like a bandaid. It still uses fossil fuel. A real solution would be to not use fossil fuel. Don't you think that stop-gaps just delay the real solution? The only reason I'd have for buying a Prius is economical because I don't understand how, in the long run, it's helping anything else.
Yes it still uses fossil fuel, but what options do we have? It helps in the long haul by showing the auto industry that people do want, will support and buy more fuel efficient and alternative vehicles.

Is your arguement that since the Prius isn't a ZEV that runs off of solar power then you should, instead, drive a 11mpg high emissions Hummer? That makes no sense.

I think most of us hope the Prius is a stop-gap measure. An economically feasable alternative to otherwise less fuel efficient and higher emission vehicles until a ZEV can be produced that is also econical and affordable by the masses with an infrastructure to support it. Rather than a band-aid I think it's a first step....then we'll take the second step..maybe a plug-in hybrid (PHEV), then maybe an ultra-clean diesel PHEV...and, hopefully, a solar charged ZEV all electric vehicle that can quick charge (10 minutes) with a 300+ mile range in a 5 passenger sedan configuration....but a vehicle like that, today, would be completely unaffordable and the technology untested for longterm durability of such a battery set-up.

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But is the Prius really part of a solution? It seem's more like a bandaid. It still uses fossil fuel. A real solution would be to not use fossil fuel. Don't you think that stop-gaps just delay the real solution? The only reason I'd have for buying a Prius is economical because I don't understand how, in the long run, it's helping anything else.
And when A hydrogen car comes out, I will consider it assuming that I can be sure that the creation of the hyrdrogen was not more poluting than the Prius....

Right now, it is the best that we have...

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I've been lurking on this board for a while and doing research on the Prius, but just now actually joined.

I've been looking for an economical car to drive on my 25 mile commute to work. I currently drive a big American muscle car and my wife has a European sports car and we are wanting something to offset the 10mpg average that our cars get.

I watched that video the OP posted and it scared me a little. I don't know if I can justify $25K for a "tin can" that the narrator refered the prius to. Is this car safe? If I were in an accident, would I survive? How does the power compare to a 4 cylinder Corolla?

I appologize to the OP if I hijacked your thread, but my questions seem similar to yours.
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Because GM is concentrating on electric now and that means completely new battery development I believe this mode will surely beat hydogen cell's.
As far as the Prius being a great interim car, you have recognised one point without realizing it. Because of it's design, it is "different" and especially from a Corola.
With it, you are saying that you are driving one of the top cars made using the newest tech in the automotive world.
Will you save any money over the ownership of a common Corola? not in a hundred years, but if you want to represent a cause, today you can not do better.
I've had my Prius for almost three years. It hasn't cost me a dime in abnormal expense. I drive it like every other car I have ever owned. Lead foot when required and the works. Rarely get passed on the interstate except by the few that should be arrested and my milage has never varied from 44 MPG + or - 2. Winter and summer alike. I have "never" driven it in the interest of fuel savings, but do appreciate what I have got.
Would I recommend it? To a local commuting driver who can afford two cars, definately. (for more than two hours, mine becomes extremely uncomfortable) To a single car "family" definately not. It can be used but some sacrifices have to be made and there are too many 30 mpg wagons on the road now which are more appropriate.
As for the constant "Hummer" comparisims, the Hummer releases no more pollutants to the atmosphere and passes the same emmission tests as the brand new Toyota Tundra pick-ups.



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I've been lurking on this board for a while and doing research on the Prius, but just now actually joined.

I've been looking for an economical car to drive on my 25 mile commute to work. I currently drive a big American muscle car and my wife has a European sports car and we are wanting something to offset the 10mpg average that our cars get.

I watched that video the OP posted and it scared me a little. I don't know if I can justify $25K for a "tin can" that the narrator refered the prius to. Is this car safe? If I were in an accident, would I survive? How does the power compare to a 4 cylinder Corolla?

I appologize to the OP if I hijacked your thread, but my questions seem similar to yours.
Again, the bias in that video makes it worthless...those guys just slam anything hybrid period.

The Prius is exceptionally safe. Check out the the insurance institute site for full scores....but the side impact/curtain airbag equipt Prius got 5-stars IIRC...and all Prii are sold w/ side airbags now.

Performance is as good as or better than a Corolla, much smoother due to the eCVT, and much quieter.

The Prius is hardly a 'tin can'. Please, go out and drive one, decide for yourself.

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