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Well, now those that were $2.19 are now $2.25.
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No info has been released as yet officially by Toyota. Just great rumors and speculation. This thread has been sort of a "wish" list from owners with a years Prius experiance. An no, there is outside of the speedometer,odometer and fuel guage nothing on the car but idiot lights. When one "glows" (Practicualy any one) the owners manual states to pull over to side of road and call Toyota. No coolant temp guages for either of the two coolant systems, no oil pressure guage, no tachometer, no ammeter (with two electrical systems) and no real way to positively determine if the gas engine is running.
There is a "MFD" (multi functrional display) screen, but it gives you none of this info. In my mind the "MFD" is more of gadget info that seems to get a lot of owners into trouble trying to figure out how the cars systems work, and how to personally change the readings they are viewing.
I know I get jumped on for these views but I've been a "car person" for an awfull lot of years. I respect the Prius and Toyota for what they have done for the hybrid movement but the Prius is not a complete car for me. I know and expect to see an oil pressure guage reading high on start-up on a cold morning and watch for it to return to middle normal as the engine warms up. I expect to see the coolant temp guage at the bottom of the scale and then move to normal dead center after driving a short distance. I know when I see my ammeter guage at "far right" that I must have left my parking lights or dome light on as something is not normal with my twelve volt system.
All these are simple and inexpensive instruments and the sensors are all under the hood passing this info to a computer that controls the idiot lights. Until I can see them (and they are supplied by Toyota in the Highlander and Lexas hybrids) I will continue to feel that that I am in more of a golf cart than a car when I drive my Prius.
And NO, none of these instruments are offered on the aftermarket. I believe this to be account of the limited number of vehicles as yet in the U.S. and what is perceived to be a limited market even though the cars have been sold here for several years.
Well, quite honestly, most drivers don't understand or care what the instrumentation is indicating. The Prius is not alone in this - my 97 Ford Taurus, for example, has no oil pressure gague, no ammeter, and a temperature gague that is of little use.

The computer can do - and usually does - a fine job of figuring out whether the car is operating properly. It's OK that you want to see for yourself - that's what being an enthusiast is all about. But most people could care less. Myself included.
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bsoft, you have hit the nail right on the head until you got to "most people" I've been showing my car off and explaining it's principal of operation now for a year and a half. Needless to say, folks are all impressed. But not one would be interested in owning one as it is now so sparsely equipped in the instrument mode. Their usual question is "why the secrecy?" and obviously Toyota feels as though they could not palm this off to the type of person who will be buying their forty thousand dollar Highlander or much more expensive Lexas.
It takes a certain type of buyer to be satisfied with the statement and excuse of "it's new technology." I'll bet the more expensive Camry hybrid will probably be instrument equipped like the Lexas leaving the golf carts to the less interested.



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Well, quite honestly, most drivers don't understand or care what the instrumentation is indicating.
That may be, but a temperature gague is still *VERY* useful. My old Oldsmobile had a coolant leak (guy at STS put the hoses on wrong, grumble) and started to slowly overheat because it was losing coolant. Had I not seen the temperature gague, I wouldn't have known until it was far too late. But because it *never* moved off center, and was moving up, I knew there was a problem.

Gauges are good. Omission of gauges for cost savings are bad.
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I tested the RX and they replaced our green leaf cars with the yellow diamond found in the Classic. Now that's just silly.

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I tested the RX and they replaced our green leaf cars with the yellow diamond found in the Classic. Now that's just silly.
Maybe they didn't have time to design little SUV icons

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But seriously, downgrading it to the yellow diamonds just to make it less of a novelty and more mainstream is kind of silly.

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Since the sensors are all in place, this is merely a software issue. One or two competent Toyota programmers could have added some software instrument displays with little extra cost. I think Prius owners are much more interested in the technical information about their cars than are other drivers of "standard" cars. If you're not interested, you wouldn't need to go look; but if you were interested they could have been displayable.
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