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There is a post about 2005 prius. Is that reliable source? 78MPG sounds a bit too attractive from 60MPG. I have seen the auto parallel parking feature from Japanese website so I can trust on that. Also, when 2005 comes out, would that be more expensive than 04? Thanks.
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A Toyota dealer in Hollywood told me both in person and in an email that the 2005 model year Prius is due out in September and that there are no scheduled changes for the vehicle. He also said it would probably be more expensive.

I find it hard to believe that there would be no changes between the 2004 and 2005. But I also find it hard to belive that a dealer would neglect to tell me about added features like better mileage and auto parallel parking. Where did you get your information? I also saw the Japanese video, but my understanding was that the technology wasn't ready for release in the U.S.

Please let me know what you find out.
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I would expect to see very few changes, perhaps a couple of new colors, and maybe (but unlikely) a new wheel design. I would also expect to see a price increase.
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There is a post about 2005 prius. Is that reliable source? 78MPG sounds a bit too attractive from 60MPG. I have seen the auto parallel parking feature from Japanese website so I can trust on that. Also, when 2005 comes out, would that be more expensive than 04? Thanks.
The post you are refering to is a joke. Nobody actually knows anything yet about the 2005. However, Toyota usually makes major model changes once every 5 or 6 years, so nobody expects more than (perhaps) a few bug fixes. Some people are hoping for a better gas gauge or an EV button. Lots of folks (myself included) believe that Toyota kept the 2004 Prius relatively cheap to break into the market, and that therefore a price increase is possible. But when or if or how much is anybody's guess.
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Wow...I hope the 2005 isn't more expensive. The price of the 2004 already makes it available to a fairly elite group. If the price keeps going up that doesn't bode well for the future of hybrid vehicles.

I assumed that, like most new technology, it would become less expensive with time (e.g. DVD players). Now that other cars and other car makers are releasing 2005 hybrids using the same Toyota technology, shouldn't the Prius get cheaper?
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The price of cars in general has trended upward year after year. The price of electronics has trended downward. So I really don't think it's a good assumption to think that car prices will suddenly switch to the electronics model just because of hybridization.
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The Prius is a very nice car, probably a good idea for the introduction of a brand-new technology. Eventually HSD will be available in more cars, some of them more economical. So while the Prius will probably never come down in price, there should be cheaper hybrid cars available before too many years pass. Toyota says eventually all its cars will be available as hybrids.
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The price of cars in general has trended upward year after year. The price of electronics has trended downward. So I really don't think it's a good assumption to think that car prices will suddenly switch to the electronics model just because of hybridization.
I wasn't assuming that the cost of cars would come down, but rather that the cost of hybrid technology would come down. I would expect the cost of the Prius (and other hybrid cars) to get closer to their non-hybrid "equivalents." While the Prius is a very nice car, comparing it to a car with similar options, it is quite a bit more expensive.

I know, I know...there are no "equivalents" to a Prius, so it's hard to compare.
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I wasn't assuming that the cost of cars would come down, but rather that the cost of hybrid technology would come down. I would expect the cost of the Prius (and other hybrid cars) to get closer to their non-hybrid "equivalents."
This very well may be true. But it will be related to the volume of production, so you'll probably have to wait until hybrids are a significant proportion of all car sales. That could be some years yet.
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There is a post about 2005 prius. Is that reliable source? 78MPG sounds a bit too attractive from 60MPG. I have seen the auto parallel parking feature from Japanese website so I can trust on that. Also, when 2005 comes out, would that be more expensive than 04? Thanks.
78MPG sounds like about what the current 2004 Prius gets on the Japanese-cycle fuel economy tests. (different test than the US EPA tests, so different results...)




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