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OK, another question: My niece can't afford a new car or even a used Prius right now. But she definitely is concerned about the earth's resources. I asked this group list about the Hummer vs Prius pollution comparison and I got some good responses. What about a "good mpg" (at least 30 mpg) ordinary gas-burning car's emissions and pollutions comparison to the Prius? Is there any way to figure that out or is there too much variance among different kinds of cars? Seems like I read an editorial about that somewhere. I still love my 2006 Little Lamb, package 5, about 13,000 miles and about 47 mpg average. Thanks for any reply.

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I get asked this question a lot. My answer is. Toyota made a great power system in the hybrid drive in the Prius. If they had tucked it into a relatively inexpensive car like their Corolla (as Honda did with the Civic hybrid) another million folks could have well afforded them and for someone with a limited budget today, that would be the way to go. The emissions of new cars made today is extremely low because thay are mostly all made to meet the State of Californias (where most new cars in the world are sold) exhaust emmission limits.
Unfortunately Toyota dolled the prius up with expensive "gadgets" that are going to be very expensive some day to keep working. The electronic brake system in a car with drum brakes is no better than the standard hydraulic system in the Corolla, The coolant return system another "gadget" that potentially can fail and really does little but save minut amounts of gas. The electronic steering system? All these things passed over by Honda because of their complexity
Toyota lumped all of these things into a car with but one asset. It "looks different" has a hatchback and recognizably does much for the "ego." If not for the "ego" I would say jump into the Corolla if it is a Japanese car you desire. All car manufacturers make similar models and I believe you will find all including the Corolla have been fitted with more comfortable seats.
Chrysler recognizes this and is hitting the market with their "full" electric cars by sticking the new electric power plants into todays standard mini vans, sedans, and sportcars. Toyota could do the world a favor by sticking a plain synergy system into a stock corolla. Instead they added it to a top of the line Camry and Lexas sedan and SUV.
So I would say, do the world a favor and purchase any high milage getting car that strikes your fancy and budget.
(By the way, even todays "Hummer" is a low emmission vehicle)



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What about a "good mpg" (at least 30 mpg) ordinary gas-burning car's emissions and pollutions comparison to the Prius? Is there any way to figure that out or is there too much variance among different kinds of cars?
There is a good post by mrv.
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Here's the 2004 Toyota Prius Green Report (life cycle assessment):
http://www.toyota.co.jp/en/k_forum/tenji/pdf/pgr_e.pdf
(you'll need to download the Japanese fonts for your PDF reader in order to read it, but the entire document is written in English.)
The report compares 1.5L Prius and a 2L similar size to a Prius, a little larger than Corolla.

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Another big benefit (for me), the brakes! My wife uses ours to deliver mail, (rural route), 400+ stops in 35 miles, 6 days a week. Checking them at 6 months 10,000 miles, they look like new. Normally I had replace the brake pads every 6 months (7,000 miles) on other cars. 17K now, and they are still good, I credit that to the regenerative braking.

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