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Prince Edward Island has the right idea.

http://www.gov.pe.ca/envengfor/index...1007450&lang=E

Wind turbines produce electricity, which is used to seperate hydrogen from water, which in turn supplies power when needed and (if/when hydrogen fuel cells become economically viable) hydrogen for fueling stations.
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I quite willing to bet that the initial plant will have a hydrogen output, but it will evolve over many years to have the electricial output sent directly to the loads and bypass the H2 generation.

Minor quibble though. Using wind power is the core good thing.
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Prince Edward Island has the right idea.

http://www.gov.pe.ca/envengfor/index...1007450&lang=E

Wind turbines produce electricity, which is used to seperate hydrogen from water, which in turn supplies power when needed and (if/when hydrogen fuel cells become economically viable) hydrogen for fueling stations.
Shhhhhhhh! **** you want G.Bush to declare war on ya????? don't you know that Chevron has the Gov contract for makeing hydrogen from Nat'l Gas??? sure it pollutes alot but. We Americans sure don't want to hear no commy non-sence about hydrogen from no water **** boy ya gonna end up in Guantanamo for prostin stuff like that. Leave that stuff to the pros from the oil companys, they'll come up with somethin if the oil ever really runs out
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And Now GM will be coming out with the Cadillac Provok fuel cell car. Could it be by 2010 we might have the Provoq, the GM Sequel, and the Honda FCX fuel cell cars on the road? Wind/solar/hydrogen generation projects will be the start of the hydrogen infrastructure needed to support the fuel cell cars.
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I still don't understand the logic of going from electricity to hydrogen when we could go straight to a BEV with the electricity...clearly more efficient and probably a lot cleaner that going through the hydrogen step.

The technology for rapid charging of BEVs exists, but needs some improvement, but still seems simpler, more economical, safer, cleaner and better than hydrogen to me.

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I was thinking more about Hydrogen being used to produce electricity when the wind isn't blowing.

BEVs seem to be the way to go, but they will only replace fueled vehicles for long trips if you can charge them in 5-10 minutes. Maybe by 2015 we'll start seeing charging stations and $/kwh signs.
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EVs will evolve incredibly fast once the present mental logjam is broken amoung users and manufacturers. Once consumers discover that they spend a lot less $$$ traveling and spend vastly less in car maintenance, then the market will be starved for EVs for some time.

Shortly after the first foothold is established, then automatic recharging stations will appear (i.e. stations in a garage or parking space that automatically connect to the car when parked.)

Shortly after the first new generation is fielded, the strong push for ultracapacitor supplemented EVs will appear that allow charging very fast (< minute, possibly 10 seconds) for short distances. This will be great for all the short trips in a city.

Finally, (unlike horsepower, which is useless past a point) increased EV range will become the selling point of each new year's model.

Note that Hydrogen does not appear.
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Can you imagine how much farther along if we simply dedicated the value of one month in Iraq to this research? Nah, they would have dedicated it to oil subsidies.
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**** I'm sure a ZPM wouldn't be that big,, or an old Sovet plutoniom powered electric generator. those give a steady 1.5 to 2kw for 20 yrs or more just bury it under the garage for a good overnight recharge
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