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They just found an oil field off the shoreline of Rio with an estimated 30 million barrels of oil. Enough to keep every refinery in the States operating at maximum capacity for six years. (Portuguese anyone?)
Hit me on the head again, I liked it so much the first time. More oil is not the way out, it's the way we got in.

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We got into it Hep because oil is the cleanest, the most easily attainable, and the least expensive.
So far, the only thing really better has been nuclear, but since Jack Lemmon, Jane Fonda and the movie "China Syndrome," the American has kept his head in the sand and look at the result! Everyone else in the world just "loves it." (Both oil and nuclear.)



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We got into it Hep because oil is the cleanest, the most easily attainable, and the least expensive.
So far, the only thing really better has been nuclear, but since Jack Lemmon, Jane Fonda and the movie "China Syndrome," the American has kept his head in the sand and look at the result! Everyone else in the world just "loves it." (Both oil and nuclear.)
We got into it when we didn't know better. We should now. Oil isn't cheap any more and it's going to get worse soon. Oil isn't clean enough, not even close. No offense hyp, but your generation and mine have screwed it for the kids. We should pony up and try to undo some of our mistakes and not dig in to protect the status quo because we are comfortable.

We need to take the billions W wants to use to drill ANWR and spend it on developing clean, renewable energy, as if it's a national emergency. Because it is.

We are using easily twice the oil we really need to mainain our current standard of living. But just try to suggest that a care that only seats 2-4 and gets 15 mpg should not be legal, and stand back and watch people froth at the mouth. The guy at my hardware store was all up in arms because the government is making us change to fluourescent lights.

More oil.

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You above all Hep should realize that the cost of gas is not going to get people into cars that they are not comfortable with.
The emmissions from a prius are really not that much less than those of the new cars coming out of todays factories, because of hi-tech combustion systems. The shock of hi-prices won't get me into my Prius when given the choice of the comfortable Highlander in the garage.
That's why Toyota makes more of the std cars, SUV'S and pick-up trucks. Bitching won't "cure it."
What scares me is the forcast cost of the oil I'll be burning in my furnace next winter. That will be triple the cost of anything I put in my gas tank.
We just can't get rid of the oil burning power plants located all over America so we have to get the price back down of this clean burning stuff. Regardless where it comes from (and there is no shortage) until the value of the dollar improves, it's going to cost us much more!
The price should lower the amount of driving being done (but it sure isn't showing yet) but it isn't going to get my wife to lower the thermostat of my furnace. I've tried everything from telling her how attractive she is in sweaters to taping a fistfull of dollar bills to the thermostat.



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We got into it Hep because oil is the cleanest, the most easily attainable, and the least expensive.
So far, the only thing really better has been nuclear, but since Jack Lemmon, Jane Fonda and the movie "China Syndrome," the American has kept his head in the sand and look at the result! Everyone else in the world just "loves it." (Both oil and nuclear.)
I can't aggre sir! I rubbed myself all over with oil I was cold dirty and smelled bad.. Then I rubbed myself all over with tritium dust I was warm I didn't smell at all and I glowed in the dark, which I can tell you is verrry usefull.. Nuclear is much better than oil.
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That's exactly why my post stated nuclear is better but someone is rubbing the wrong "oil" on you. You got to get away from that 5/30 stuff and into the good stuff. ......................."Fantastic"................ .....



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Back to the original question...yes.

But it won't be about oil...or even food.

We'll be fighting over water. Eventually.
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The aircraft carrier "JFK" can make fresh water out of salt in enough quantity in 24 hours to supply an entire city in Indonisia.
I have no idea why this countries government has not started this process in any of the states like Georgia and N. Carolina who now complain on having to rely on water from Tennessee to meets it's need account of drought conditions!
(Was noteworthy, however, that John McCain let the rabbit out of the bag yesterday in Denver, when he said "our boys are being sent to the middle east to fight for oil.")
Of course, by the time his plane landed in Phoenix, he recanted and suggested he was peaking of our first adventrures there to free Kuwait, and that we are really fighting in Iraq now because of the "Weapons of Mass Destruction."



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The aircraft carrier "JFK" can make fresh water out of salt in enough quantity in 24 hours to supply an entire city in Indonisia.
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Burning oil to make fresh water. Good plan. Next we can burn oil to make air to breath.

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Hep, The JFK is nuclear powered. The military can make as many nuclear powered ships as they want and as many as they need without "the red tape" Congress imposes on the rest of us. The JFK can also supply all the electric needs of a city the size of Los Angeles.
In fact, for the major earthquake scenereo, it has been suggested of tying up a nuclear carrier in the Port of Long Beach to do just this.



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