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I keep trying to convince my best friend that he doesn't need a mini-van. We proved that a hatchback with fold down seats can easily carry his greyhound (we did that in my Prius quite comfortably), and he should use all available vehicles the few times he needs to transport his extended family.
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I believe it is great to show off my car and it's high points to all my friends but the last thing I would ever do is try to talk any family man out of a mini-van which is the most comfortable vehicle built for the family. A hatch-back just won't "cut it." If someone "gave" you a Prius, I'm sure you could make do, but the purchase of one at todays prices dosen't make financial sense.
The Prius is a fabulous commuting car especially if you commute daily more than thirty miles. Might even save you money over a three year period. (unless you would be content with a new Corolla)



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It is when they complain about finance issues, including gas consumption. There's only three of them in the household now. They can't afford to provide transportation to occasionally carry everyone else.
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[Unfortunately, on the flip side, SUVs tip over more easily, don't stop well, don't handle well and heavy SUVs are a danger to others on the road. Kinetic energy=1/2 * mass * velocity^2. How would you like to be t-boned by a 6400 lb. Hummer H2 in your 2890 lb. Prius? From http://www.nhtsa.dot.gov/cars/rules/caf ... rFleet.htm, the avg. curb weight of a 04 model year car is 3239 lbs btw. A Chevy Tahoe weighs 5443-5706 lbs.
No! Its not too comforting to see a 4-door long-box pickup when driving the prius.

As i have entered non-negative comments about SUVs in a hybrid forum, please allow me the chance to offer some more thoughts

-the anti-SUV thing borders on the maniacal sometimes, and in general i'm leery of propaganda. I'd like to see if highway deaths are up since SUVs rose to power, but i'd like the information from, well, neither http://www.watchmyhummerdriveoverahonda.com or http://www.huffingtonpost.com (first link imaginary). I'll explore your link this evening.

I guess i'm almost instantly distrustful of any info from anybody "on a side" in this situation, which is often more emotional than rational. Please understand that in no way was that comment aimed at anybody on this board, which seems to be about the most discussive and intelligent auto board i've ever seen.



-i think minivans remain the most practical vehicles on the road. but nobody has really done anything with them in years, and while newer things like the pacifica are very, very nice, for a very long time SUVs were >> minivans in overall "niceness"

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Although I don't like gas prices where they're at now, perhaps they're still too cheap. If they stayed this way or went up even higher, perhaps people would evaluate whether they really should have or "need" HUGE SUVs? The # of HUGE SUVs on the road here in Nor Cal containing only the driver or maybe 1 child is insane.
I agree. i think higher gas prices - probably alot higher - would go a long way towards causing reconsideration of "need".

I think the current publicity of high gas prices will cause car makers/designers to start offering more things like the pacifica. Practical cars (as opposed to trucks) that have some "now i want one of those" appeal.

minivans lost that appeal to some extent, and it will take some work to give it back to them.

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Here a story about SUV sales going down http://www.detnews.com/apps/pbcs.dll/ar ... /606020398.

Here are some sales stats, in case you haven't looked at these before:
http://biz.yahoo.com/ap/060601/auto_sal ... .html?.v=1
http://www.theautochannel.com/news/2006 ... 09393.html

Sure, the Hummer brand's sales are up YTD because of the H3, but H1 sales are down 21.6% for May 06 compared to May 05. H2 sales are down 37.2% for the same period.
As of this posting, i've not browsed the links, but thanks for them. Without a doubt the H3 saps sales from the bigger ones, but hummer isn't exactly dead, which was all i wanted to say.

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Oil is a non-renewable resource and much of our oil comes from unstable regions of the world and from countries that don't like us much. BTW, Car and Driver at http://www.caranddriver.com/roadtests/1 ... page4.html got 11 mpg on the Escalade. There's also the aspect of pollution and global warming. People who buy such vehicles and don't really need them obviously don't care about the environment.

I think it's a little extreme that to expect everyone suddenly switching from whatever they've got to small fuel-efficient hybrids, but I just wish some/most of the drivers of huge SUVs who don't go off-roading and don't NEED the space would downsize to something commenserate w/what their rules needs to help reduce our dependence on oil.

In general, i prefer to not judge somebody by what they drive, or indeed to not judge people at all. And it isn't hard to see the attraction in a Tahoe- they are very nice. Those two things were basically all i wanted to mention in my post above - just that, well let me try again very briefly

1. i understand the attraction in SUVs, and i'm not one to judge anybody for anything.
2. if people continue to buy alot of them, there will continue to be alot of them
3. simple math shows that improving the mileage of the worst-mileage vehicles results in large overall reductions in gas use

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efforts to improve the mileages of big SUVs are helpful.

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a family of 3 (i have only one child as of now) could get by in the prius, but i don't think there's enough cargo room for a fam of 4 without a roof rack or something along those lines.

at least not the way we pack. and adding a roof box/rack thing will crush aerodynamics and have a notable adverse effect on mileage. And at that point the prius may no longer be the most fuel-efficient vehicle available to a given family.

It probably is (as far as i know) the most fuel-efficient for a fam of 3, but for larger families i'm not sure that's true.

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I can't help but wonder what would happen to SUV sales if dealers stopped giving $1000 gas certificates with the purchase of an SUV?

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I can't help but wonder what would happen to SUV sales if dealers stopped giving $1000 gas certificates with the purchase of an SUV?
i read a press release about "gas price guarantees", but its not applicable in my area so i never really sat down to look at the fine print.

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I believe you will find the $1000 gas certificates being made available for SUV's and pick-up trucks being extended to most of the country.
I believe the amount has to be spent by Jan 1 2007. Good deal, almost as good as a tax incentive being subsidized by the U. S. taxpayer, that kicks in on your April 2007 tax form.



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