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I am either getting the new Civic or New Prius (january). Can anyone give me an OBJECTIVE comparison of both. Both get carpool lane stickers and get tax credits.

prius pro - hatchback, folddown seats (not in civic)
civic pro - newer (assume new/different options?)

safety? mgp? options? etc?

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I am either getting the new Civic or New Prius (january). Can anyone give me an OBJECTIVE comparison of both. Both get carpool lane stickers and get tax credits.

prius pro - hatchback, folddown seats (not in civic)
civic pro - newer (assume new/different options?)

safety? mgp? options? etc?

Thanks

Jason
I own both - but I don't know how objective I can be. I have a 2004 Honda Civic Hybrid CVT and just took delivery of a 2005 Prius.

If you insists on manual shift, you'll have to get the HCH but they too have dropped the manual shift option for 2006 model.

I get better milleage on the HCH on highway commutes but the Prius is better in about town driving.

Subjectively, I think the Prius is UGLY - inside and out but it's a geeks paradise - lot's of neat gadgets etc. The HCH is "normal" looking and if you don't want to stand out in the crowd and blend in, get the Civic.

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Aayyuuuuup,

what yauman said is true. I too had a 2004 manual HCH. In addition to yauman's comments, add that I think that the HCH had a tighter, more sporty suspension, was closer to the ground, had height adjustments for the seats, and the conventional HVAC controls were more to my preference. OTOH, the Prius is more spacious, gets better mileage (in my commute), and makes more advanced use of regen braking. As I noted before, my HCH rotors were warped at 10,000 miles and again at 2x,000 miles. Time will tell if the Prius braking algorithm is better.

As some have done, why not rent each for a weekend? Take each over varying roads and drive the way you would normally drive, without regard for the hybrid drive systems. Only you can know if a vehicle 'fits' your needs and routine. While you are at it, check out some of the non-hybrids and diesels. After all, no one on this or any other forum is like you or will pay for your car

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I am either getting the new Civic or New Prius (january). Can anyone give me an OBJECTIVE comparison of both. Both get carpool lane stickers and get tax credits.

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Oop.. I miss the point of the question - you are asking about the new 06 versons.

In August, I actually test drove the 06 Civic Hybrid - it was on display and available for test drive at the Sierra Club convention at the Moscone Center in S.F. - along with all the other hybrids and a couple of hydrogen car.

The 06 Civic Hybrid is very slick looking - almost BMW'ish. The interior is completely redesigned and looks like a "high end" car. Technology-wise, it's got a bigger more powerful electrical motor and high voltage battery bank than the older (my) version. 06 version has electrical power A/C so the a/c stay on even when the engine shuts down (like the Prius.)

It is still a serial hybrid which means that if the battery dies or the electrical motor drive is not functioning, the car can still be driven and functions normally - with less power and without hybrid. The Prius is a parallel hybrid and if the battery dies, the car cannot be driven at all.

One thing I notice between my HCH and Prius, the fit and trim is much tigher in the Prius. My HCH has a few rattles. Also the factory sound system is much better on the Prius. I'm in the process of upgrading the sound system on my HCH - I'm no audiophile, but the factory install $5 speakers got to go!

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How's the interior room? The older Prius just isn't wide enough for fat folk like me to fit, but the newer models are... just. I hear that the new Civic's a couple inches narrower along the seats than the Prius -- does that seem right? Anyone have actual specs on the widths in the Civic? (I have them on the Prius.)
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HCH is parallel hybrid. Both ICE and electric motor combine together IN PARALLEL to provide kinetic power. Series hybrid has an engine turn a generator to provide electricity to turn a motor.

The Prius is a Parallel/Series hybrid. It can do one or the other or a combination of both.

When accelerating from a stop, the Prius is mostly series, as the ring gear can't be turned by the ICE since the RPM is too low. Instead, the ICE turns MG1, which feeds power to MG2, supplemented by the battery if necessary.
In normal cruise, it is parallel. MG2 and kinetic power from ICE through the PSD is combined. MG2 is provided power by MG1 using some of ICE's power through the PSD.
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I debated both cars and finally bought a Prius in part for practicallity, and in part b/c I couldn't wait any longer for the 06 Civic to hit the showroom (my last car was totalled when I was rear-ended). Here is what I found out.

The Prius definately feels and is roomier inside with the hatchback a plus if pure praticality is a deciding factor -- more cargo room, more leg room in the back seats. More on seats later.

Frankly, and the techies may disagree here, I see little difference between the hybrid driving experience of these two cars. You couldn't say that before the release of the 06 Civic, b/c Honda clearly lagged here, but now they will probably drive about the same. They each shut down their gas engines at a stop, they both can operate in all electric mode (althougth the Honda can't do this from a stop, but the Prius only does this under very gentle acceleration), and the real world milage is probably w/in 1 - 2 mpg. I would say that my experience with the non-hybrid 06 Civic is that the handling may be a bit better.

Ergonomics and design approach is where these cars diverge.

First, touch screen virtual controls vs. conventional controls for the climate control and stereo. The Civic gives you a seperate radio and climate control module. If you want preset 6 on the radio, press button 6. If you want to crank up the fan, turn the fan knob. BTW, the Honda also includes steering wheel controls for the radio.

On the Prius, you have to do this through the touch screen or in some cases the steering wheel. Want preset 6, hit the up arrow on the steering wheel until you get there, or hit the audio button on the side of the touch screen and then the virtual preset 6 button on the touch screen. Even in a nav Civic, Honda actual included radio preset buttons on the side of the touchscreen -- bravo.

Want to change the fan speed in a Prius, hit the climate button on the side of the touch screen and then choose the fan speed you want from the virtual buttons on the screen (Temp is on the steering wheel, fan speed is not). This means you can't see radio and climate at the same time -- at least not all of each on the touchscreen. Keep it simple stupid, not on the Prius.

But having said all of that, you get used to the touchscreen and it doesn't seem like that much of a hassle in real life. The screen can wash out sometimes in bright sun at the right angle though. That can't happen in the Honda. Advantage Honda.

Radio itself. Standard radio in the Honda sounds better than standard radio in the Prius, and I beleive would be an easier upgrade -- the Honda has more than enough power to drive better aftermarket speakers. If your Prius package includes the JBL premium radio, Prius probably has the edge. BTW, both 06 Prius and Honda have Aux input for MP3 player, but not an 05 Prius.

Seats. This is where it gets personal. The Honda seats look sportier, have more side bolster, and include height adjustment. I am 5ft. 5 in. and I thought height adjustment would be a big plus. It is NOT. First, the Honda sits lower to begin with. If you measure where your shoulder hits the top of the door, you will find that the Prius hits lower on your body giving a better view out. Once raised, the Honda seats are in about the same as the Prius, but .... Raising the seat puts you vertically further from the pedals. This would be ok if the bottom seat cushion weren't so long. To avoid cutting off circulation to your thighs with the long downward reach to the pedals, you need to put the seat way forward. This cramps your arms too close to the steering wheel (even with telescope all the way in). Of course you can lean the seat way back, but I can't drive that way, or see out!

The Prius seats go forward or back. Period. But as one tester described them, they are "set 'em and forget 'em" comfortable. Absolutely true. And of course the rear seats in the Prius fold to the floor, Honda's are fixed. Back seats in the Prius felt more comfortable to me as well. Finally, visibility forward in the Prius beats Honda b/c the Honda display still pokes up above where the front glass meets the hood. Advantage Prius (for short driver's anyway).

Finally, do you really need a tachometer in a CVT Hybrid? And does it need to take up that much real estate.

Price. A comparably price Civic costs less than a Prius, although some features (HID headlamps on Prius or active head restaints on Honda arent' available on the other). Prius will net you about $1,000 more in 06 tax credits however.

My Prius grows on me every day, but my guess is you can't go wrong with either car.
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I too was considering a Prius vs a 2006 HCH, and that was back in July so I knew I'd have to wait a while for the latter, but I found enough faults with the Prius that I felt it worthwhile to wait, and indeed I now plan on buying the 2006 HCH.

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Frankly, and the techies may disagree here, I see little difference between the hybrid driving experience of these two cars.
There is one major difference, that the Pruis uses its electric motors all the time, whereas the Civic doesn't use them when cruising on the highway. And the Prius' motors are still over 3x as powerful... I still consider the 2006 HCH to be a mild hybrid.

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I would say that my experience with the non-hybrid 06 Civic is that the handling may be a bit better.
I got this impression as well, though I didn't test it too thoroughly.

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First, touch screen virtual controls vs. conventional controls for the climate control and stereo.
While the Civic's analog climate controls are a definite plus, it only gets analog radio controls if you choose not to get Nav. If you do get it then it works just like the Prius' screen, which is the main reason I'm not buying it. So that's something to keep in mind.

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Finally, visibility forward in the Prius beats Honda b/c the Honda display still pokes up above where the front glass meets the hood. Advantage Prius (for short driver's anyway).
I strongly disagree with you here, and I'm 5'6. I found the Prius' front windshield to be very restrictive, so much so that that was the main reason I decided not to buy it. The HCH, on the other hand, has a significantly better horizontal field-of-view out the front windshield; the left pillar doesn't seem directly in front of you like it does with the Prius... and the cowl appears to be a bit lower as well. This was clear from taking both cars for multiple test-drives, and renting a Prius for a couple of days.

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Finally, do you really need a tachometer in a CVT Hybrid? And does it need to take up that much real estate.
You don't need it but it's not taking up any useful space anyway. The Prius simply has blank empty space there; Honda at least takes advantage of that space. And manual Civic drives have actually complained the tachometer is too out of the way since they tend to look at the digital display further up.

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My Prius grows on me every day, but my guess is you can't go wrong with either car.
I think they're both very good cars.
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Wow. Amazing how two reasonable, or is that reasonably short, people can come to such such different opinions. Great to see this kind of give and take.

I would check out the controls on the Nav Honda however. From the pictures on Honda's web site, I don't think that nav forces you to give up ANY analog buttons.

http://automobiles.honda.com/models/int ... vic+Hybrid

Also while I agree there are technical differences between the hybrid systems, I still think that the actual driving experience will not be noticably different.

Good luck on your purchase.
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But I still think that the Toyota ECVT/Power split devise is far superior than anything Honda can offer. Also durability test done on these two Hybrids, The Toyota Prius has gone through hard diven Taxi mileages and very small wear and tear seen when Toyota dismantled the returned taxi in the Hybrid drive train and the Hybrid battery pack. Also note: The CVT inside the Honda system still uses belts and cornes to achieve the CVT ratio. We have a Honda franchise as well and the service techs are very trained in both CVT's and the Techs unanimously agrees that the Toyota system is superior and more durable.

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