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I'm not questioning the benefits and desirability of hybridization, or consumer choice, or competition. I think all of these can work to the advantage of the environment, when applied to the kinds of vehicles we drive. I put my money where my beliefs are by buying a Prius. But I wouldn't shell out big bucks for an inferior car just because it's a hybrid, thus my question.
The thinking among the Prius owners amazes me. I don't think my 2004 Honda Civic Hybid is better than yours in any way. Personally I will never buy a vehicle where the dash is to the right of my field of view. I also will never buy a car for more than sticker price. Manual transmission to ME is better so that is what I drive. Inferior car? In you own humble opinion. My tank average is 54.1 right now.... What is yours?

Can't we just respect that other people like different things? I don't put people down for needing an suv. I just laugh when I fill up once every three weeks and see them shelling out 65 bucks. BTW, mine is a SULEV, and AT-PZEV


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Last summer, I drove Prius and Civic Hybrid and found that the Civic blew away the Prius on acceleration, comfort and driveability.

It was also about $3,000 cheaper and ready to drive off the lot, while Prius had a waiting list. I bought a Civic and am glad I did.

Toyota has probably upgraded since then, but at the time, Honda had a better car, hands down.
 
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Last summer, I drove Prius and Civic Hybrid and found that the Civic blew away the Prius on acceleration, comfort and driveability.

It was also about $3,000 cheaper and ready to drive off the lot, while Prius had a waiting list. I bought a Civic and am glad I did.

Toyota has probably upgraded since then, but at the time, Honda had a better car, hands down.
Last summer would have been a 2003, right? The '04 is a wholly different car, totally redesigned. That's why you can walk into a Honda dealership today and drive a Civic Hybrid off the lot.

The Civic is an excellent car, no doubt about it. I drove one for 15 years and never had any trouble with it. However, the HCH takes a conservative approach to hybridization, while the Prius is the 21st century. Personally, I don't like the cone-and-belt CVT. I do like the way the Prius integrates the ICE and the two MGs via the radically simple planetary power-split device. And I like it's use the the variable-valve-timing Atkinson engine and its low-stress starting method. It has significantly more acceleration than the HCH (the Classic Prius did not) and, a big factor for me, it's got the additional cargo space of its liftback design. My old Civic was a station wagon, but Honda does not make that any more.

From what I read, mileage figures are comparable, and I think someone said the HCH is now SULEV. So, if you can't wait a year, or you can't afford the extra $3K, get a Civic and you won't be disappointed. But if you have the time and the money, the Prius delivers $8,000 more car for $3,000 more cash.

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I had a 1993 Civic Lx and never had any problems with the transmission and I had the car for 7 years and put over 100,000 miles on it. I took that car everywhere in the West. My dad had a 1988 Civic hatch and put over 250,000 miles on it on the same transmission. Both were automatics.

I have friends who have Toyotas and they easily go over 100,000 or + miles also on the same transmission.

So, I don't know if there is a difference in the transmissions or not.
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One of the big reasons why is the unethical ways the Toyota dealerships have been selling the Priuses. They make sure there is a 6-8 month waiting list to get Priuses, then the cars they do get they stock with all options (including the stupid gold decal that I'm sure everyone wants) and sell them for 30% more than the base price.

I'm in the market for either a Honda or Prius right now...and I have to say I'm torn between either a new Honda or used Prius. I simply can't wait the 6-8 months or pay the outrageous price for one with all the junk I just don't want.
 
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My local dealer informed me that the wait for a Prius would bring me to May '05...in the same sentence they mentioned that there is an incoming silver with option package 9 for $33,500. I could be driving it in two weeks.

My Dad's got the Civic Hybrid that he paid $19,000 for (when comparing the '03 Honda to the '03 Toyota, the bottom line for his decision were the crash test results). I realize that the '04 Prius is a completely different animal and on the technical cutting-edge, but I don't think that I could justify or make up the $14,500 by the increased fuel economy of the Prius.
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My local dealer informed me that the wait for a Prius would bring me to May '05...in the same sentence they mentioned that there is an incoming silver with option package 9 for $33,500. I could be driving it in two weeks.

My Dad's got the Civic Hybrid that he paid $19,000 for (when comparing the '03 Honda to the '03 Toyota, the bottom line for his decision were the crash test results). I realize that the '04 Prius is a completely different animal and on the technical cutting-edge, but I don't think that I could justify or make up the $14,500 by the increased fuel economy of the Prius.
That $33,500 is a straw man. Most folks are paying MSRP. I paid $24,353 including all taxes and fees for a package #7 (my choice), and that has a lot of goodies the HCH does not have, plus more power and cargo space.

The waiting time is a real issue. That often happens with a new model that turns out to be more popular than the manufacturer anticipated. Both are excellent cars, and you can hardly go wrong with either one, but IMHO the Prius is a considerably better value for the money. As long as you don't pay the extra ten grand to an unscrupulous dealer to go to the top of the list.

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Last summer, I drove Prius and Civic Hybrid and found that the Civic blew away the Prius on acceleration, comfort and driveability.

It was also about $3,000 cheaper and ready to drive off the lot, while Prius had a waiting list. I bought a Civic and am glad I did.

Toyota has probably upgraded since then, but at the time, Honda had a better car, hands down.
I drove both also, but at 6'4" the Civic is not an option.
Isn't Toyota selling their technology to Honda for the Civic?
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Isn't Toyota selling their technology to Honda for the Civic?
Nope, Honda has their own hybrid technology independant of Toyota's.

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Isn't Toyota selling their technology to Honda for the Civic?
Nope, Honda has their own hybrid technology independant of Toyota's.
It comes from the honda insight
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