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Average about 35 mpg, as claimed by the CBS article. 2 1.25%
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You can read about the mileage you get here:

http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2006/01/ ... 4807.shtml

What desperation! The US auto industry and those faithful to it cannot accept the reality of the Prius. This is the most flagrant in a long run of articles that desperately deny that the US industry is simply inferior.

The logic is simple: For the Prius to be legit, the US auto industry would have to be using inferior technology. It is a given that the US cannot be inferior. Therefore, the Prius is a hoax.
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This sounds like a Dan Rather story. The only thing missing is whether the Prius performed any National Guard service. Come on Dan, I thought you were retired.

Actually anyone can get 35 MPG with a Prius if they try. All you have to do is stomp on the gas every chance you get and hope there are never any big hills to coast down.

To get 45-50 MPG and over, the Prius has to be driven with a light foot or have a big hill to do down. My wife and I drive with fuel economy in mind and always are in the range of 48-53 MPG.

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Now your blaming the US car industry for articles on CBS which were mainly quotes fron Consumers Report and USA Today? Com-on

What's so terribly incorrect with Ford teaching the owners of Ford Escape hybrids how to "Pulse and Glide?"

Whats wrong with posting that their testors could only get forty MPG in a 04 Prius. I drive my car just as I always have driven and I've always averaged between 43/45 mpg. I don't feel as though that's "shabby." Because of all the hoopla, a lot of people think the Prius is capable of 60 MPG at all times and only realize differently when they get one home!
And I don't see Toyota emphasising the fact that the Lexas and Highlander hybrids only get about three MPG more than the standard models they replace and have just gone hybrid for performance figures.

As far as the Jetta diesel, I'm not quite sure that they are legal to sell here in Massachusetts. (Someone posted here about six months ago that they weren't)



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That is why so many are willing to wait months on lists!? We know the truth. With oil like it is and will be, everyone else will know the truth soon. I am so glad I got my Prius when I did.
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Now your blaming the US car industry for articles on CBS which were mainly quotes fron Consumers Report and USA Today? Com-on
You're right. That wouldn't be fair. But I did qualify it with, 'and those loyal to it'. Anyhow, I'm interested in your objection. What exactly do you attribute all these false and critical stories about the Prius to? Why would anyone attack such a great innovation on the basis of its obvious strong points?

Portable, miniaturized computers have only been around for about 25 years. I've heard it said that humans take about 100 years to adapt to new technologies. Here we have a case where computers, - yes, those great things on our desks that work most of the time but often frustrate us when most needed, and crash inexplicably - a special application of these computers is used to manage fuel efficiency and emissions well above the standards we have accepted for years in our automobiles. And it seems to be an extremely reliable use of computers. Why would anyone want to knock down such a remarkable accomplishment? But it's not just some disenchanted nut that's doing it. It seems to be a popular and fashionable thing to do in the mainstream media. Do you really think there is no interest group behind this negative propaganda?

For example, could big spending North American auto advertisers be asking editors, 'Why don't we ever hear any negative stories about the Prius? We like to spend our advertising dollars in publications that tell both sides of the story...' - Do you think there is no pressure to put down this thorn in the side of the US auto makers? And if the Prius were an American auto, would we be reading stories in CBS News about how it's a hoax?
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Actually, the stories appearing in Consumer Reports and USA Today, have a ring of truth when you read that their testors are walk in from the street drivers that just pick up one of the cars and drive them. I fail to see any agenda here and personally have never heard a harsh word concerning my two year old car. On the contrary, half the people at a GM dealership I stopped by at to see the new HHR all came out and went through my 30 minute lecture about the cars merits and all were impressed.
I think you see "Prius" mentioned predominately because it is the only hybrid that seeks gas milage. There is no other with anything like it to advertise and neither Toyota, Honda, Ford, or any others have even mentioned hybrids in the seeking of higher gas milage. They do advertise their hybrids hoping you will confuse them with the Prius's high gas milage but you never will see "buy the new Toyota Highlander hybrid and get forty MPG." It's a little like the old VW's in that vein and all the funny stories told about the purchasers of that car "back when." Not taken to the "ninth degree" maybe because gas was about thirty cents a gallon.
For some reason it seems that a lot of Prius owners are thin skinned and take any criticism of their car personally and believe it is a conspiracy. That may be because of location and other factors. I can certainly understand that the guy that bought a SUV for his whole families need several years ago when gas was a buck twenty a gallon and still has a three year mortgage on the car and can't buy a better milage car if he wanted without a three or four month wait, would resent to see some single driver flying by him in a HOV lane while he sits in traffic economically unable to do anything about it. If you don't want to see resentment, don't use the HOV lanes until hybrid cars are available to purchase.
But don't blame the US car industry for what you consider is any sort of conspiracy unless you combine it with the rest of the Japanese and foreign car industry as well. "Sour Grapes," we don't need!



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I don't know... Maybe the true answer is somewhere in the middle. I think the article *is* biased against the hybrids because it doesn't explain how any of the figures were calculated.

For example, is the $9.00/galon to break even based on MSRP, or MSRP + Dealer-Greed-Markup. Both the Prii on Toyota of Melbourne's lot were marked up $4,999. That's a lot of gas.

It doesn't mention what the test drivers were told as they were handed the keys. "We're testing to see which car can go the farthest on one tank" vs "we're testing to see determine how much EPA mileage ratings differ from reality" Either of those statements will change the way the driver operates the car.

And yes, we are all snobs, and want our cars to be better than everyone else's. But I haven't gone out and written any articles about it...have you?

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As usual, the media has it all wrong. I lump articles like this in with those that try to predict the Weather here on the Washington Coast.
I would be willing to bet the guy who wrote this trash hasn't even set foot in a hybrid.
Like many of you, I enjoy a substantial fuel savings over my Ford truck which is now parked and used only to haul things that need hauling.
Prius gets an average of 51 mpg with an all time best of 62 for a tank on a trip for which I made every effort to conserve.
I have also had an all time worst tank at 42 mpg while I was using my snow tires.

Prius is nothing more than a tool that allows you to control several fuel usage variables. These tools are not available in other cars.
How you use the "tool" will dictate your fuel efficiency outcome.
I have since applied my new found skills to driving my other cars and have seen a marked improvement in the mileage they obtain.
Nothing even close to the Prius but most welcome anyway.

The news media should stick to standing in the middle of hurricanes while doing interviews or reporting on grass fires or excessive rain.
The're observations, for the most part, are technically bankrupt.
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Actually, the stories appearing in Consumer Reports and USA Today, have a ring of truth when you read that their testors are walk in from the street drivers that just pick up one of the cars and drive them.
Therein resides Consumer Reports and USA Today's problem when it comes to releasing these articles.

They bring in people who know nothing about these cars and say, from what you wrote there, "Here's the keys. Go."

In the "real world", nobody is going to just go to a dealer, buy a Prius, and drive away. People are at least going to research purchases like this and why I'm sure a great minority of the population of new Prius owners may just buy the car based on the sticker on the back window when it is parked at the dealer, a lot of people will know what they are getting themselves into when buying this kind of vehicle.

It needs to be driven differently becasue it is a different kind of car. Whether or not the owner takes advantages of its features is not the car's fault. It's the owner's fault for not taking the time to learn about what it is they are doing in that vehicle.

You don't see guys who drive a 5-speed Civic go out and become a big rig Semi truck driver and get in and try to shift it the same way they would their little 4-cylinder engine. They have to learn how to do it the right way or all of the reviews on the trucking industry and its fleet would be horrendous. How could they dare make a truck that has to be driven differently in order to be compared to another vehicle that is completely different! For shame! (:

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It needs to be driven differently because it is a different kind of car. Whether or not the owner takes advantages of its features is not the car's fault. It's the owner's fault for not taking the time to learn about what it is they are doing in that vehicle.
That's a good comparison. It applies to many things that are used in our society, but there is such a culture of entitlement when it comes to cars that many people are actually offended when they are told the 'right' way to drive a vehicle.

It would be ridiculous to compare an expensive SLR camera to the standard point-and-shoot type this way. If the same degree of entitlement applied there, people would be complaining, 'I can't get a good shot with this $5,000 SLR.' That's because it takes years of experience to get the best out of a good camera.

There is such a blind adhereance to this entitlement that you get more than 40,000 deaths annually, much of that due to people driving poorly, or while drunk, etc.

The highways and all traffic control is designed for the lowest common denominator of driver because it is a given that almost everyone is entitled to drive a vehicle in pretty much any way he wants to, with a minimum of training. Although motor vehicles are responsible for most of the negative human effects on the environment we all share, there is absolutely zero responsibility enforced on drivers concerning the polluting they do. Just the suggestion that people should take responsibility for this kind of harm will enrage many people. The automobile is probably the biggest symbol of 'freedom' in North America, and it's probably also the best example of the lack of personal responsibility. This is why the CBS article chafes at the idea of Ford instructing its customers at how best to drive a hybrid - it's expected that people will be indignant at any interference in the way they use their automobiles.

The CBS article panders to the worst in our society, which itself is another abuse of 'freedom', in this case journalistic freedom.
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