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Average about 35 mpg, as claimed by the CBS article. 2 1.25%
Average about 40 mpg. 19 11.88%
Average about 45 mpg. 62 38.75%
Average about 50 mpg. 60 37.50%
Average about 55 mpg. 17 10.63%
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Kristol is also on the board for the mega right-winged powerhouse, the PNAC (Project for a New American Century), along with Tom Bolton, Cheney, Rumsfeld, Wolfowitz, Armitage, Zalmay Khalilzad, and fellow media man Charles Krauthammer... et. al.

Spreading Democracy the world over by force, one country at a time.
Wow! And there was some question this CBS article didn't carry an agenda!

What will those guys attack next?
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very informative article. thanks for the post.
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Hi all, I disregarded the USA Today report when I initially read it as the testing methodology was flawed. As I remember the Jetta was driven downwind (east to west) and the Prius upwind (west to east). Performing this test in the spring would be the worse time of year for wind effects on the results.

In any SCCA timing event the average of driving the course in both directions is used as the reported value for speed. The effects on fuel economny at a standard speed would be similarly effected by wind and elevation changes as the peak speed a vehicle obtains.

But as far as a Hybrid/Atkinson engine being any better than a Diesel, is not possible. The Diesel can idle with very little energy consumtion due to its lean burn. This is similar to the Hybrid/Atkinson turning off the engine and running on battery. The power increase to simultaneously recharge the battery and propell the car should move the Atkinson toward a more efficient operating point. The two cars should be very similar in energy/mile, which should result in the Diesel having 1.13 times the fuel economy (at 1.13 times the fuel cost typically). A test done by Mercedies comparing its Diesel SUV against the RX-400H resulted in almost exactly this result. The Mercedes test had much better methodology, in that both vehicles were driven down the road a few hundred yards from each other during the test.

The main problem with Diesels in the U.S. is the sulfur in the fuel. Just drive behind a brand new VW Diesel for a few miles and you will smell it. Until cars can run on 100 % bio-Diesel, I am opting for a hybrid.
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It's telling that the CBS (i.e. Weekly Standard) article used the word "liberals" perjoratively in the very first sentence. No... the article didn't have a conservative axe to grind.
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very informative article. thanks for the post.
What could you have possibly learned from the article that you didn't already believe to the very core of your being?

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Did anyone notice that the actual author of the editorial was
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Until cars can run on 100 % bio-Diesel, I am opting for a hybrid.
Actually cars can run on it now, it is just a little hard to find. My brother runs his MB deisel of on 100% Bio, well actually 99.9% for tax reasons.

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As usual, the media has it all wrong. I lump articles like this in with those that try to predict the Weather here on the Washington Coast.
I would be willing to bet the guy who wrote this trash hasn't even set foot in a hybrid.


Prius is nothing more than a tool that allows you to control several fuel usage variables. These tools are not available in other cars.
How you use the "tool" will dictate your fuel efficiency outcome.
I have since applied my new found skills to driving my other cars and have seen a marked improvement in the mileage they obtain.
Nothing even close to the Prius but most welcome anyway.
That is exactly it.... If you drive a Prius like a Bat out of **** (with apologies to Meatloaf), it will not get mileage anywhere NEAR EPA... If you try & sail a sunfish out in the ocean, you'll probably capsize... Does that make a sunfish a terrible sailboat.. NO, it means you are doing something for which it was not meant for.

If you drive with any thought towards fuel conservation, your Prius will NOT be a lie... and you will be driving some of the best (NOT all of the best) technology on the road.
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very informative article. thanks for the post.
What could you have possibly learned from the article that you didn't already believe to the very core of your being?

hmmm... should I listen to the Internet, or Consumer Reports?


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hmmm... should I listen to the Internet, or Consumer Reports?
In this case, you should listen to the Internet, specifically our poll of so far 88 participants, showing about 48 MPG. Unlike Consumer Reports and the EPA, this is real world. Consumer Reports is not perfect.
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