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Average about 35 mpg, as claimed by the CBS article. 2 1.25%
Average about 40 mpg. 19 11.88%
Average about 45 mpg. 62 38.75%
Average about 50 mpg. 60 37.50%
Average about 55 mpg. 17 10.63%
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The article is quite biased in that it extracts the data from the Consumer Reports article that supports it's bias, and ignores the rest. CU has given the Prius excellent reviews, and estimated mileage in real world mixed driving at 45mpg, which is about what I get. For a typical driver, such as myself, who just wants to drive the car, 35 mpg isn't unlikely in city conditions; again it's about what I seem to get. What Richard Burr doesn't acknowledge is 35 mpg in city driving is probably twice what the average car gets. If the EPA adjusts its test proceedures to reflect the real world, we'll find out what the average sedan really gets (as well as the average SUV.)

What is interesting is that the article wants to judge hybrid vehicles to standards they would never apply to any other car. It's true that buying hybrid may not be an economically justifiable choice; but neither is buying a V6 vs a 4 Cylinder, or a Mercedes vs a Camry. If people bought cars on a rational economic basis there would be no Hummer, no Porsche, and no Mercedes. So why is Richard Burr attacking hybrids?

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Canadian Prius...good thread and poll.

A few comments:

First, I see that so far among 42 voters, our average overall MPG is about 47-48. This is a good sampling of true real world mileage. It is 12 MPG better than the CU rating CBS News and the Weekly Standard are going by.

Second, I assure you, no standard exhaust spewing Jetta diesel is gonna beat MY mileage let alone come within 5 MPG of it.

Third, the value of hybrids--especially economy ones like Prius and HCH--is much more than just fuel economy. How about greatly improved greenhouse gas emissions? No hoax there. Why doesn't the Weekly Standard mention that? Of course, it would diminish their already weak argument.

The only legitimate "hybrid hoax" is that there is only a small gain in fuel ecomomy for luxury hybrids where unfortunately power is the emphasis.
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It's also interesting that this Hybrid Hoax article on CBS News is actually taken from the Weeky Standard--the editor of which is none other than that sweet neo-con, William Kristol...really lends an air of legitimacy eh?

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Before starting The Weekly Standard in 1995, Mr. Kristol led the Project for the Republican Future, where he helped shape the strategy that produced the 1994 Republican congressional victory. Prior to that, Mr. Kristol served as chief of staff to Vice President Dan Quayle during the Bush administration and to Secretary of Education William Bennett under President Reagan. Before coming to Washington in 1985, Mr. Kristol taught politics at the University of Pennsylvania and Harvard's Kennedy School of Government.

Mr. Kristol recently co-authored The New York Times bestseller The War Over Iraq: America's Mission and Saddam's Tyranny.
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That is why so many are willing to wait months on lists!?....
The lists are not real. While dealers do get a limited allocation, they also get a limited allocation of every vehicle they sell, including a Matrix or Echo. While there is a limited supply of Hybrids, the demand for them is not as high as the dealer's want you to believe!

What the dealers's have been successfully doing is just a repeat of what they did when the Fiero, Miata, New Beetle and Mini were first introduced. They created an artificial shortage, and amped up their profits!
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All the conspiracy mentioned about the article is surprising to me. I have not read anything but that you go to Consumer Reports for the straight honest facts and this article was just quoting Consumer Reports.
It just sounds as though some owners can not be happy with any criticism of their cars. My friends are impressed with every facet of my car but none would ever consider owning one because to most of them the car is too darn small, too darn light and to many, funny looking.
If you won't accept Consumer reports because it criticizes what you believe, that's acceptable but "conspiracy?"



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First of all, I can't imagine how to get only 35mpg from a Prius. I have never broken under 40, even with long periods of A/C running at a standstill waiting for someone, heavy stop and go, and hard acceleration in a tak of driving. I just can't do it!

Second, the article's using hybrids as an excuse to do some brainless liberal-bashing removes any shred of credibility, no matter who they (selectively) quote.

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Let me get this straight! CBS is doing some liberal bashing? I got to let Bill O'Reilly know about this!



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On the contrary, half the people at a GM dealership I stopped by at to see the new HHR all came out and went through my 30 minute lecture about the cars merits and all were impressed.

I think you see "Prius" mentioned predominately because it is the only hybrid that seeks gas milage. There is no other with anything like it to advertise and neither Toyota, Honda, Ford, or any others have even mentioned hybrids in the seeking of higher gas milage. They do advertise their hybrids hoping you will confuse them with the Prius's high gas milage but you never will see "buy the new Toyota Highlander hybrid and get forty MPG."

I can certainly understand that the guy that bought a SUV for his whole families need several years ago when gas was a buck twenty a gallon and still has a three year mortgage on the car and can't buy a better milage car if he wanted without a three or four month wait, would resent to see some single driver flying by him in a HOV lane while he sits in traffic economically unable to do anything about it. If you don't want to see resentment, don't use the HOV lanes until hybrid cars are available to purchase.
Is that the same HHR that you posted several months ago would either (I can't remember which) get better mileage or pollute less then the Prius? And does neither.

The Prius is not the only one that seeks mileage, to a certain extent they all do. The HH & RX400h with the V6 and Hybrid companion could and should be compared to a potential 8 cylinder versions of those cars. They give near the real world performance of the 8, while using slightly less gas than a 6. Toyota wanted to challenge their competitors, while not resorting to a V8.

The "poor" guy who bought an SUV when he didn't need one is an idiot if he didn't realize the potential for gas to go up. It has before and it will again. Very few people need an SUV, very few.
He can buy a better mileage car tomorrow, if he wanted. Maybe not a Prius, but better and safer than the average 3 year old SUV.
And I thought you posted about a month or two ago that the Highlander Hybrid was sitting on dealer lots around you, and that it was a big failure for Toyota?
He almost certainly made his choise based on EGO, I have no sympathy.
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That is why so many are willing to wait months on lists!?....
The lists are not real. While dealers do get a limited allocation, they also get a limited allocation of every vehicle they sell, including a Matrix or Echo. While there is a limited supply of Hybrids, the demand for them is not as high as the dealer's want you to believe!

What the dealers's have been successfully doing is just a repeat of what they did when the Fiero, Miata, New Beetle and Mini were first introduced. They created an artificial shortage, and amped up their profits!
Oh my god, what kind of idiot ever waited to get a Fiero? That is truely a man wise beyond his years! Did they also get on the "list" for an Aztec?!?!

So if the lists are not real, there are say dozens of Prii sitting hidden in the back of every dealer's lot. They aren't selling them to keep up demand?
Yes there is an allocation of every vehicle, but on the Prius, the allocation is so far below demand. Two years after it was released in its current version. None of the other cars you mention had that issue. Not even high end cars that had a wait at first, like say the Z8.
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It's also interesting that this Hybrid Hoax article on CBS News is actually taken from the Weeky Standard--the editor of which is none other than that sweet neo-con, William Kristol...really lends an air of legitimacy eh?


Good point. Kristol is also on the board for the mega right-winged powerhouse, the PNAC (Project for a New American Century), along with Tom Bolton, Cheney, Rumsfeld, Wolfowitz, Armitage, Zalmay Khalilzad, and fellow media man Charles Krauthammer... et. al.

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