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Default '06 Honda Civic Hybrid vs. '05 Toyota Prius

Thought you all might like to see this :
Scuttlebutt around the office was that the Prius was about to get its walking papers. But just as any office rumor, this one was eventually proven false. After "upper management" got its hands on the facts the Prius was 2 seconds quicker from zero to 60, got better overall fuel economy, and offered a plethora of cool features not available on the Civic the gossip mill was shut down and the Civic was passed over for promotion while the Prius kept its corner office and parking space.


For the full story go to http://autos.aol.com/article?id=20060103171309990001

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Yeah, before I ordered my 06 Prius, I test drove the 06 Civic Hybrid. I was going to go ahead and purchase a Civic Hybrid until the dealer told me that they can't find the color I wanted and it would take 3 months to get the color that I want.

I then went to the Toyota dealer and the difference was night and day between the prius and civic. I went to the dealer not wanting to buy a prius but just one spin around the block, I ended up ordering one on the spot.

I have to admit though, the new civic looks a lot better then the Prius, but the Prius wins in terms of engine and cabin.
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They are both fine cars by fine manufacturers, and will appeal to slightly different people.

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I just do not understand Honda's priority here. They came out with a sleek looking new Civic lines following the design theme and family resemblance of the Acura brands and very good looking indeed. However, why did the Honda designers and Engineers gave its new Civic longer wheel base but took 2 inches of leg-room ? Visual Effect sells cars ? More supple and a better ride perhaps with the longer wheel-base but less room....Somebody please tell me.
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I think you might've gotten mixed up with the Civic sedan and Civic coupe. The coupe lost rear legroom but the sedan gained.

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The SEDAN version is indeed small in the back... so small you can very easily see that there is much less room than Prius. I got a very long look at one in the parking lot the other day, parked just a few spots away from mine.

I suspect Honda is repostitioning, preparing a 4-cylinder hybrid Accord to compete with Prius instead or just simply not offering a model that is directly comparible with what Toyota offers.
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The SEDAN version is indeed small in the back... so small you can very easily see that there is much less room than Prius. I got a very long look at one in the parking lot the other day, parked just a few spots away from mine.

I suspect Honda is repostitioning, preparing a 4-cylinder hybrid Accord to compete with Prius instead or just simply not offering a model that is directly comparible with what Toyota offers.
Hi john1701a: I completely agree with your view. The Honda Civic 06 Hybrid sedans are much , much smaller inside than the "Mid-Sized" Prius.
Prius watch-it-out ! The new 07 CH is on the horizon but again it is _Not_
a Prius !
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First off, I have been driving my Prius for 18 months with nothing but the two recalls, and like it very much. Well I've been driving my sons new 06 Civic hybrid for the past week and I can point out several facts concerning the differences in the cars. First my son needed a sedan with a locking secure trunk in his job. Second he confessed he never did like the appearance of my Prius and you do have to admit the Prius does look different. Next the Honda uses an entirely different approach to the hybrid principal (and one I think the "rest" of the hybrid industry including the "big three," will adopt for it's simplicity)
The Civic ICE operates 90% of the time and the car gets it's fifty city, fifty highway milage from decreasing the engine displacement with the use of the engine valves. Engine seems to shutdown only when car is at a complete stop. No additional coolant reservoir, and no engine run to heat the converter. Normal brake system (with anti-loc) and the only high tech indication in the car is the flip over nav screen.
The car drives and performs like the Prius but it does have comfortable adjustable seats, along with a telescoptic steering wheel.

It has a full set of guages including a tach which follows along with automobile acceleration and speed. It uses the electric motor (one) to supplement the ICE power.
All in all, it is an extremely simple manner of increasing MPG and can be worked on in most independent garages. The car I drove only had several thousand miles on it (picked up the first of November) but has been averaging between 45 and 50 MPG.
It is not even in the same league technically with the Prius but if I were asked, because of the Prius complexity I would seriously recommend the Civic.



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First off, I have been driving my Prius for 18 months with nothing but the two recalls, and like it very much. Well I've been driving my sons new 06 Civic hybrid for the past week and I can point out several facts concerning the differences in the cars. First my son needed a sedan with a locking secure trunk in his job. Second he confessed he never did like the appearance of my Prius and you do have to admit the Prius does look different. Next the Honda uses an entirely different approach to the hybrid principal (and one I think the "rest" of the hybrid industry including the "big three," will adopt for it's simplicity)
The Civic ICE operates 90% of the time and the car gets it's fifty city, fifty highway milage from decreasing the engine displacement with the use of the engine valves. Engine seems to shutdown only when car is at a complete stop. No additional coolant reservoir, and no engine run to heat the converter. Normal brake system (with anti-loc) and the only high tech indication in the car is the flip over nav screen.
The car drives and performs like the Prius but it does have comfortable adjustable seats, along with a telescoptic steering wheel.

It has a full set of guages including a tach which follows along with automobile acceleration and speed. It uses the electric motor (one) to supplement the ICE power.
All in all, it is an extremely simple manner of increasing MPG and can be worked on in most independent garages. The car I drove only had several thousand miles on it (picked up the first of November) but has been averaging between 45 and 50 MPG.
It is not even in the same league technically with the Prius but if I were asked, because of the Prius complexity I would seriously recommend the Civic.
Simplicity ? but is it durable ? My technicians tells me that the Hondas CVT wears out much faster than the Toyotas Power Split Devised E-CVT due to its utilisation of the "Belts & Cones" CVT. They are techs working at diffrent makes but they do talk to each others very often and the Honda techs says that the Honda system ( CVT ) need to be replaced at 60 K ? If this is true then what is the merit of simplicity vs complex. I hear no HSD of the Gen II needs replacement at that early mileage, even the THS of the 97~03 will go at least 100K before anything going wrong with its CVT/Power Split Devise. Also the Hondas carries only 36/36 warranty on its Power Train. Perhaps the CVT and its components longer
warranted.The Hondas and its end users will need it !
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because of the Prius complexity I would seriously recommend the Civic.
That is a rather misleading statement.

True, Civic-Hybrid is more simple from the old mechanic learning how to service it perspective, since they are just leveraging off of existing traditional components.

But for a brand new mechanic learning how to service vehicles from scratch, HSD wins by a landslide. The new technology in Prius is by far the better way to go in the long run.
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