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Originally Posted by MtnTraveler
My limited understanding is the Honda system goes for best mileage, and the Toyota system goes for least emissions. Is this still true?
Originally Posted by hyperion
the only high tech indication in the car is the flip over nav screen.
Originally Posted by john1701a
True, Civic-Hybrid is more simple from the old mechanic learning how to service it perspective, since they are just leveraging off of existing traditional components.
But for a brand new mechanic learning how to service vehicles from scratch, HSD wins by a landslide. The new technology in Prius is by far the better way to go in the long run.
Originally Posted by hyperion
John, as yet I haven't found a "sharp" new mech who understood the HSD system, at least not at my dealers. And the Honda Civic dash appears normal to that of the standard Civic and Accord until you tap the center of the dash which then fips over giving you a nav screen about the size of the prius MFD.
In the post by Spike today of "the future of hybrids" there is a bit of info on Saturns new "Vue hybrid" and that's the way I expect to see the rest of the automakers in the world go hybrid. Probably 1/10th the tech of the Prius. I also expect the whole industry to adopt the decreasing of engine size displacement by the "open valve" method of Honda rather than the shutting down of cylinders in the search for better fuel economy.
Wouldn't surprise me one bit to see Toyota going to this method in the Four Runner V8 and their Pick-up trucks.
Originally Posted by Spike
Don't know much about the complexity vs. simplicity line, but I would seriously doubt that Honda puts a car out there that needs major components of the tranny replaced at 60k. They make a fine product, and I have owned several.
And, honestly, the all new Hybrid Civic should be better than our current Prius. The major part of the design is 2 years newer than the still fairly similar to the 2004 launched current Prius. Just as the 2008 Prius, should jump ahead of the now new hybrid Civic. Time marches on, especially in an emerging technology field.
For us, when it was time to compare the '04 Civic hybrid to the '04 Prius; the main selling points to us were the Prius was a hatchback (don't know about the '06 Civic, but on the '04 you couldn't even fold down the rear seats) and that the Prius was so feature laden for a $26,000 car -- regardless of the hybrid drive. There was no other car in that price league that offered ABS, stability, traction, Nav, bluetooth, HID, side curtain airbags, etc.
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