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Gotcha! my only point being a standard car is not hit with the loss of performance a hybrid is in extreme cold!
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Gotcha! my only point being a standard car is not hit with the loss of performance a hybrid is in extreme cold!
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With the engine running the heater, and a cold battery, and a relatively short drive each day, you will not see much advantage in a hybrid. I would recommend a sturdy small car like a Corolla that can eb serviced by anybody.

Better yet, get an old air cooled Volkswagen and forget about effects of cold weather! Easy to fix, too, though parts are getting harder to find.

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I had a VW (1970) when I lived in Maine. When the temperature got below 20 degrees, forget about getting any heat from the engine ... there was none. On the plus side, I never got stuck in snow.

As for hyperion's comment about "Once the thermostat has the engine at operating temperature, it doesn't know or care what the outside temperature is. A Corolla would still be giving you 35 MPG." I totally disagree. Obviously there is a lack of knowledge of thermodynamics and heat transfer in that statement.
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Opinions are what makes the world go round. If you would like, I will say the Corolla might drop to 34 MPG!
My Highlander shows little overal change. (Thermodynamics or not.)
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Here is an article that gives a pretty detailed explanation of the reasons a normal car gets worse mileage on a cold day.

http://www.sciam.com/earth-and-envir...cID/10/catID/3

Though a hybrid may be more affected, it certainly seems normal cars aren't immune.
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I had a VW (1970) when I lived in Maine. When the temperature got below 20 degrees, forget about getting any heat from the engine ... there was none. On the plus side, I never got stuck in snow.
Was it a Bus? Yeah, no heat made it to the front! But the Bugs could be made to work if you minded the cable adjustments, thermostat adjustment, and made sure you had no loose air hoses. My Type 3 (squareback and fastback models) COOKED, and actually has a "cool air hose bleeder" to keep it from getting TOO hot. WIthout it you melt shoes, and can literally start a floormat smoking!

But those ol' Buses, man you better wear TWO sweaters!!

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Was it a Bus?
Nope, it was the bug and it had no fan for the heater or defroster. In a snow storm when the defroster was needed, you either had to drive too fast for conditions, or gear down until the engine sounded like it was internally hemorrhaging.
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Was it a Bus?
...or gear down until the engine sounded like it was internally hemorrhaging.
But VWs ALWAYS sound like that!

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Nah, my wife has had 2 Corollas, 2 Camrys, and now an Avalon. The Corollas dropped from 36 mpg to 28 mpg in the winter (22% drop), the older Camry went from 32 mpg to 25 mpg in the winter while the newer Camry dropped from 34 mpg to 26 mpg. All of those cars had 4 cylinder engines and all but the older Corolla were in a garage and all of those have been sold. The Avalon with it's 6 cylinder goes from 27 mpg to 23 mpg in the winter but its in a garage. The last Camry had and Avalon have remote starters which my wife uses liberally when at work.

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