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I wish we had the same level of activity as they do over here. This board seems much more normal.

There is some real petty bickering and sniping over there. MPG elitists
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I wish we had the same level of activity as they do over here. This board seems much more normal.

There is some real petty bickering and sniping over there. MPG elitists
We've had our share of that in years gone by. Now it's just a few of us relaxing in our rocking chairs parting out our wisdom.

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Funny you should mention that. Just about an hour ago, I assembled a new "office chair" that rocks and swivels and all sorts of stuff to use at the computer desk. Replaces the old one I "borrowed" from my wife's sewing area years ago.
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I wish we had the same level of activity as they do over here.
Hmph. There is also plenty of knowledge there from some very experienced folk. Take what you need, leave the rest.

If the level of activity here got to be the same as there, you would have the same problem. As the population increases, the number of @$$#0<3s increases, until you get a critical mass of them and you're off and running.

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As the car has become just another "oddity" on the streets and quite prolific and the "newness" of the technology has "worn off" since the "04's) hit the streets. There has been a marked drop in the primary posting caregories!
Occasionally the same subjects appear but most folks are tired of talking about "overinflating the tires, decreasing oil quantity, adding a stiffening plate, (about the only modification ever made for the Prius) or adding a "sharkfin" antenna.
It has gotten very "lackadaisical" here!
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We just bought a new Tundra, and you should see all of the activity on http://www.tundratalk.net.

Now, if you wanted to raise your Prius 18 inches and add dual MagnaFlow mufflers, or add a supercharger to boost the hp to over 500, then we'd have some interesting posts. However, most of them get excited about getting over 18 mpg; and we just don't believe the lies about 22+ mpg.

However, there's a big difference in rebates. With the Prius selling for over MSRP, we got our Tundra for just a little over invoice, and that didn't include the $4,500 back from Toyota.

It's hard to believe the difference in the two worlds... Lots of "normal" people over there, too, though. There's just a lot of kids with more money than brains.

There are a couple of posts where people are selling their Tundras due to the cost of gas -- what a shame...
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After what happened in the market today and the reasons for it hopefully we will see a trend to US made products when they are offered as inexpensively as foreign imports. I will never believe that Toyota makes a better truck than Gen Mtrs. or Ford and now the American made are less expensive.
I can understand the purchase of the Prius and Honda Civic hybrids for the present because there is no American made equivalent. That was the reason I purchased my Prius. But to say that aside it being a hybrid it is built with the quaility of an American car in the same price range is ludicrous. If you haven't checked lately the better quaility of the U.S. car is widening and soon it will be seen that everyones jobs and careers will depend on a reawakening in the US product.
Sure, Michelin, Nokian, Bridgestone, Toyo,Dunlap, and Perilli make good tires but you can just as good tires from Goodyear, Goodrich, Firestone, and Cooper.
It's time the buyer in the US starts changing his habits. It seems to be working. The manager at the local "J.C. Penny" store indicated that one brand of sport clothes sporting a red, white, and blue eagle on the label is the hottest seller in the store cause customers actually believe they are made in the US. (unfortunately, "China.")
GM's truck surplus and Ford's "buy it at the employees cost" is one of the reasons for the 358 pt. drop in the market today.
It's time we all woke up and if you "can" get a similar product made in the US consider yourself lucky and that's got to be the way to go.
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There was a big push to "Buy American" back in the late 1970's and early 80's; and I bought a Chevy Citation, "The First Chevy of the 80's", in 1979. Unfortunately, that car was a piece of junk. I also tried to buy a Pontiac Fiero (which had the Citation front-end turned around and bolted on backwards) in 1984, but that didn't pan out; and we ended up buying a Mazda Rx7. Needless to say, the Fiero turned out to be a piece of junk, too. That Mazda opened our eyes to the better quality of some foreign makes.

Over the years, I have owned several Chevy cars and trucks; and while they have given us reasonably good service and GM's quality improved over the years, they just don't match Toyota. We now own three Toyota's, a 1998 Camry that was built in Kentucky, a 2002 Prius that was made in Japan, and the new 2008 Tundra, which was built in San Antonio; and the two older cars have proven extremely reliable.

In the mean time, GM has given us the Hummer and numerous SUVs that are now a ball and chain around their necks; and they are suffering for being out of synch with the new push for fuel economy.

Toyota started work on the Prius in the mid-90's; and GM, Ford and Chrysler were working on bigger and more luxurious SUVs. What were they thinking? -- About making more profit (the margins are higher on trucks and SUVs than on economy cars). Were they looking to the future? -- Obviously not where we are now; i.e., $7.00 gasoline in two years.

We made a conscious decision to buy a pickup truck, mainly to replace an old tow vehicle. I certainly wouldn't buy a pickup as a commuter car. However, the Tundra makes sense in that it gets over double the fuel mileage of the 1978 Chevy pickup it replaces, and it's a whole lot cleaner for the environment. We aren't ready to abandon our RV lifestyle, and this was the best compromise when we needed to replace an aging pickup.

Plus, if you drive the new trucks, the Toyota easily surpasses the "American-made" models in quality and performance. And, if you think you are "buying American" when you buy a GM, Ford or Chrysler pickup truck, take a look at where it's made. Just a clue, it's not in Kentucky, Indiana or Texas (where some of the Toyotas are made) -- Try looking north and south of our borders. Also, Michelins are made in South Carolina; and Firestone is owned by Bridgestone, which makes some of the Firestones overseas.

It's a shame we don't really make anything in the USA anymore. Seen a TV, stereo, or just about anything, that's made here (except for Toyotas)? Where did RCA, Magnavox, Motorola, GE, Florsheim, Fruit of the Loom and all of the "MADE IN USA" labeled goods go? They disappeared when you and I started buying cheaper goods that were as good or better quality than those made here -- just a fact of consumer life. And, they probably aren't coming back.

I'm a displaced worker from the computer electronics industry. In the 70's and 80's, I was a quality manager in a factory that made PCs and peripherals (printers, etc.). I lost my job when our factory shut down, and America started buying products from Hong Kong, Korea and the Pacific rim countries. We couldn't find anyone to buy our American-made PCs for $2-3,000, when you could buy other foreign brands for under $1,000.

Luckily, I was able to start a new career; but a lot of my coworkers ended up doing landscaping or selling insurance. Now, look at the US job market; most positions are in service or sales -- no manufacturing. But, that may change. The Pacific rim is suffering from water and air pollution, like we did here in the last century. As soon as they come to grips with that problem, the combination of their increased production and rising shipping costs, and their growing middle-class, will level the playing field; and the pendulum will swing back this way. But, that may take some time.

Well, it's late and I guess I have rambled enough. We're just happy, loyal Toyota owners...

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Of course we have all read this but things have changed and are changing daily. The U.S. products which have survived have improved immensely in quaility and in competitive price. I question the "Quaility" I see in The Toyota product and it really is a "different animal" now. You can now see the cost-cutting everywhere. What I am trying to point out is that we have to make a change in our habits and start insisting for an American product if the purchase price is "in the ball-park.
The reason the Toyota product is made in the U.S. is that it is "cheaper" to do so and you can believe me, you definately see Toyota in their ads specify that "this truck" is made in San Antonio, "truck country," or this car in Kentucky.
Ditto for Honda in Ohio. But check under those hoods and just about everything there was built in Japan. And all those checks in profits are going there.
We have to change this trend along with our energy sources. I realize that a lot of American products are built elsewhere but the profit on these products still remains in the U.S.
We all know of the American quaility problem in the 70's, and 80's but that has changed and today you can purchase used parts for every Japanese car made in salvage yards. They are all becoming "throw-a-ways"
Just how bad do we let our national economy fall before the trend is reversed? A "Toyo tire" really can't be "that good" and it isn't really that much "cheaper" on the market.
I'm researching fireplace inserts that burn "wood pellets" now in an effort to decrease my oil furnace burn costs this winter. (Which will be escallating this winter from the extroidinary cost of $2700 to over $4,000) and so far have been pleased to see all the recommended products are being made in the U.S. And they are being advertised as "so."
Also looking at some of the electrical low energy electric heaters and most are being advertised as "not made in China." I haven't found where most are being built now but I'm sure it is in the "orient."
And it's about time we got some more opinions going in the general topics. There are very many knowledgeable people on this site and very few seem to notice the different categories. Probably the "Prius Chat" category has not drawn much "attention" in the "General" category. I'll try something!.
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Priuschat looks to be hosed again. Good old reliable Priusonline!

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